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re: SI’s latest mock, based on rumors and buzz, has Shaedon Sharpe falling to us at 8.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:00 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:00 pm to brmark70816
I mean you are answering your own questions
People don't hate Sabonis in a vacuum, but the team is a mess, their best player, Fox, is worse than 85% of the best players you can name on a given Western conference team, the roster is full of holes and non-complimentary players, and Sabonis isn't good enough to be the second best player on a deep playoff team.
That is the defacto definition of a team not ready to go total win-now, yet, thats exactly what they are doing.
People don't hate Sabonis in a vacuum, but the team is a mess, their best player, Fox, is worse than 85% of the best players you can name on a given Western conference team, the roster is full of holes and non-complimentary players, and Sabonis isn't good enough to be the second best player on a deep playoff team.
That is the defacto definition of a team not ready to go total win-now, yet, thats exactly what they are doing.
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:03 pm to Fun Bunch
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But that is part of the problem. He has barely played for years, has faced very little in the way of actual high level competition, and there are a lot of rumors out there about him and his surrounding
I'm high on sharpe and would take him.
What are the rumors?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:06 pm to Bronc
Would you package Jax and a future 1st along with this years 8 to move up to 4 and draft Ivey?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:11 pm to GOP_Tiger
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think that you are taking the opposite lesson from 2019 than I am. Sharpe is an athletic freak with incredible potential, who also has somewhat limited tape, off-the-court concerns, and questions about his work ethic.
That's exactly what we took in Jaxson Hayes. I saw multiple analytics stuff at the time that had Jaxson rated higher than Garland.
But it turns out that work ethic matters rather a lot.
I am not saying that we should pass on Sharpe, but if our front office passes on him because of concerns about his work ethic, I will be absolutely fine with that.
Good point. The stuff about sharpe is scary. I like him as a player but it does give you pause.
No one here is able to determine if these rumors are true. Hopefully they make the right choice this time .
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:17 pm to Chalkywhite84
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No one here is able to determine if these rumors are true
No one is also able to articulate what these rumors actually are....
All we have is a podcast saying "concerns about his camp," which, is so vague as to be impossible to draw any conclusions from. And angry scouts/execs mad Sharpe is following standard advice and limiting his workouts after slotting as a top 5-9 prospects with little room to move up.
We already dove into the Kentucky stuff, which, he graduated early and Cal made the executive decision not to disrupt the team half way through the season and incorporate him, but teammates like TyTy spoke incredibly highly and said it was clear he wanted to play but respected the decision.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:18 pm to smoke225
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Would you package Jax and a future 1st along with this years 8 to move up to 4 and draft Ivey?
I'd strongly consider it.
Honestly, Ivey or Sharpe depending on how much they like him.
But I also think Jax will not be here long term unless he can start making progress as a 5, but according to Willy, Jax is going to opposite direction in his development and focusing on being a forward/wing.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:24 pm to Bronc
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That is the defacto definition of a team not ready to go total win-now, yet, thats exactly what they are doing.
Great points. I don't see anything they have done lately (like the past season) that shows that they are going all in. If they flip the pick for something stupid, like Grant, then I can see where they are panicking.
But people keep pointing to the Haliburton/Sabonis trade as this disastrous deal for them. I liked that move. It made sense.
They should be trying to win. They have enough pieces to be competitive and were in the playin hunt until the last month. Given a top 4 pick and a near max slot (plus better health), they should be better.
Should they go wholesale rebuild again?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:27 pm to Bronc
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he graduated early
There was potentially some fudging with the graduation.
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and Cal made the executive decision not to disrupt the team half way through the season and incorporate him
Cal will tow that line because he's always thinking about the next recruit so he's not gonna drag the kid or his family but Cal has gone along with some fudging, especially when he was saying Sharpe would be back at UK next year.
I don't think Sharpe is necessarily bad, I think he was just trying to get to the league healthy as quickly as possible.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:30 pm to saintsfan22
quote:There are rumors that Sharpe did not want to play. Who knows what is true, but you're likely correct in that Cal would never come out and say he didn't want to play for reasons you mentioned.
Cal will tow that line because he's always thinking about the next recruit so he's not gonna drag the kid or his family
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:36 pm to saintsfan22
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There was potentially some fudging with the graduation.
No, there was not.
His school, Dream City Christian confirmed his graduation with the NBA FO to confirm his eligibility under league rules. The question was surrounding eligibility because to declare for the NBA you must be 1 year removed from high school and at least 19 by the start of the season of the draft you declare.
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Cal will tow that line because he's always thinking about the next recruit so he's not gonna drag the kid or his family but Cal has gone along with some fudging, especially when he was saying Sharpe would be back at UK next year.
Sharpe's teammates have no obligation to protect him, and TyTy has specifically said he would be doing the same thing Sharpe is and that it was clear Sharpe wanted to play but Cal thought it best not to disrupt the team.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:02 pm to Bronc
Bro... do you expect someone to just come out directly and bad mouth Sharpe?
Nobody's gonna do that. That would look terribly on them.
You don't have to believe the rumors that's okay dude.
Nobody's gonna do that. That would look terribly on them.
You don't have to believe the rumors that's okay dude.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:05 pm to Bronc
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His school, Dream City Christian confirmed his graduation with the NBA FO to confirm his eligibility under league rules. The question was surrounding eligibility because to declare for the NBA you must be 1 year removed from high school and at least 19 by the start of the season of the draft you declare.
So you don't think it's weird that he graduated the school in May then went back to the school in the fall?
Here's a game he played in 5 months after graduation if he graduated in the May
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Sharpe's teammates have no obligation to protect him, and TyTy has specifically said he would be doing the same thing Sharpe is and that it was clear Sharpe wanted to play but Cal thought it best not to disrupt the team.
Well yeah because it probably would be bad for any NBA draft prospect to put out tape with a team you started playing with during the last month of the season. I'm sure all his teammates understand especially one with plans on getting to the league as soon as possible too like Washington.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 6/8/22 at 7:06 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:22 pm to supe12sta12z
That was a fantastic listen. Thank you.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:37 pm to saintsfan22
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So you don't think it's weird that he graduated the school in May then went back to the school in the fall?
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Sharpe played his last high school basketball game for Dream City Christian (Arizona) on Oct. 17, 2021, in Las Vegas. It was a nationally televised game on ESPN against Prolific Prep out of California.
At the time, Sharpe was playing as a fifth-year senior, after completing all class requirements in May.
The high school prep circuit differs from a scholastic high school basketball in that every game played in the fall is more or less counted as a scrimmage and doesn't count against the regular season schedule. That's why Sharpe was allowed to play, despite the games being on national television.
When you try to look for the truth instead of stopping when you find the info that most confirms your biases, typically you end up with better results, and your position tends to better stand the test of time. Just sayin
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:46 pm to supe12sta12z
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Damn good listen and deep dive into sharpe. LINK
It was an interesting listen though didn’t exactly add too much that wasn’t already out there if you’ve been looking/reading on your own. If people want to assume the most negative interpretation of his journey they can, but I think the pod made clear it’s not that simple.
I’m curious to see Kyle’s breakdown, and out of the two, Kyle’s judgement has a better track record when it comes to guards(like Tjarks and am really hoping he pulls through and am very happy he is feeling good enough to do the pods, but Kyle sort of joked a bit, but he missed bad on Cade and some his comp was a but off the mark imo). A richer man’s Gary Trent Jr. wouldn’t shock me as a low to medium floor for Sharpe, but his upside is superstar. Though, it has to be taken in that with the odd path and limited tape, his variance in outcome is amongst the highest besides maybe Ousmane Dieng.
Though one place I did firmly disagree is immediately reaching for the Wiseman comp if he lands in NO, when, Wiseman’s issue has as much to do with injuries as anything, and it can just as easily be a Simons situation where, like Simons, Sharpe doesn’t play in college, goes to a good organization with good vets and coaches, and develops over the course of time without pressure and emerges ready to be an all star
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:06 pm to Bronc
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:14 am to Bronc
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At the time, Sharpe was playing as a fifth-year senior, after completing all class requirements in May.
I don't know of anybody that has ever done this or why they would. Was there a mix up since he went to 3 HSs?
Posted on 6/9/22 at 9:43 am to brmark70816
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I don't know of anybody that has ever done this or why they would. Was there a mix up since he went to 3 HSs?
I mean they explain in the article.
Students have enough credits to graduate early every year. It typically means you did everything right and went a bit above and beyond so you can just do "frick around" classes or graduate early.
Technically he played as a post-grad player, which is very much a thing in prep league. He did that thinking initially he wouldn't be in college til the following season, but ended up going to Kentucky half way into the season.
It's a weird journey and that's why it's a discussion(also easy situation to generate pundit content), but there is no evidence of any malfeasance.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 10:32 am to supe12sta12z
"without the ball it's almost af if someone unplugged him"
shoutout to AAU basketball rewarding selfish behavior
shoutout to AAU basketball rewarding selfish behavior
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