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re: SI’s latest mock, based on rumors and buzz, has Shaedon Sharpe falling to us at 8.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:37 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:37 am to GOP_Tiger
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, off-the-court concerns, and questions about his work ethic.
Again, can someone please cite these accusations?
I really don't think asking for sources and evidence is unreasonable.
And if the best Fun has got is what he posted and the KOC podcast where they are mostly talking about him positively, but add questions that come down to his camp deciding that if he is slotted as a top 8 talent, too many workouts can only hurt his positioning. Which is a very common strategy that almost all top prospects settle on every year. Including top players this draft.
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:41 am to Fun Bunch
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Thinks we are a good spot because he wouldn’t need to play at all for us next year, maybe even for two years, and he’s a guy that if he hits, it’s a big hit.
when's the last time a draft pick didn't play for maybe two years and ended up being even a decent role player?
If he hits, the coaches will know it well before the season starts, just like with Herb. He might still take some time to develop into something special, but that doesn't mean it would be done from the bench or G-League for a year or more.
If you draft someone 8th and they can't get minutes and play in 60+ games this year, they probably suck.
People want to bring up Moses Moody with GSW and not getting minutes on a playoff team, like we expect to be next year. Klay played in 32 games. Damion Lee, Gary Payton and Juan Toscano Anderson all played significantly more than Moody.
Even Kuminga didn't play that much, but he still played in 70 games and got 17mpg. That's kind of the floor of what you'd expect from a top 10 pick, even on a good team, IF he's worth a shite.
Regardless of who we draft, if they hit, they'll be playing significant minutes off the bench this year and pushing to start in year 2.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:44 am to Macintosh504
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Do we know that was solely his decision? He wasn’t eligible until January and then Calipari didn’t want him to play so late in the season. Sharpe agreed of course but we don’t know the full story behind that
Correct.
The story as I understand it today is that Sharpe graduated early(props to him for that), enrolled with Kentucky. Sharpe was open to playing but Calipari and Co. felt it would cause more disruption than benefit, so Sharpe sat.
Was mixed on whether to stay or go, but seemed to be wanting to play a year, but he began getting top 8 billings, and he started leaning coming out, so he and his camp did some workouts and that seemingly cemented his top 8 billing, so they fully declared and did what many consensus top 10 prospects do, which is hold steady.
Like I said, the lack of tape means I'm not going to declare him 90% sure thing but the supporting evidence so far to claim he is a personality concern seem weak at best.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:46 am to TeddyPadillac
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If you draft someone 8th and they can't get minutes and play in 60+ games this year, they probably suck.
I know you've said something similar a few times and people have told you...
But almost no player we draft should play significant minutes for us. We are just different than the normal team picking 8th, and that shouldn't be an indictment on the player.
The only ways a player will play much for us is if:
we have a ton of injuries
or
they are an absolute star immediately.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:58 am to Fun Bunch
Absolutely nailed it. Thank you.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:10 pm to Bronc
Chill out bro
Dude just mentioned something he's been hearing/seeing.
Dude just mentioned something he's been hearing/seeing.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:13 pm to Bronc
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he story as I understand it today is that Sharpe graduated early(props to him for that), enrolled with Kentucky. Sharpe was open to playing but Calipari and Co. felt it would cause more disruption than benefit, so Sharpe sat.
Well--that's not the story I heard. It seems that Kentucky and the fans expected him to eventually play and feel extremely used that he never suited up for them. Some even claim he flat-out lied.
KY Insider
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:15 pm to Kerchek
And I'd like to see the sourcing on that, even if it is just telling me specifically who said it and where... it's really not an unreasonable request to ask for supporting evidence.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:20 pm to The_Duke
I mean I really dont care what bitter Kentucky fans feel. Making the maximizing economic decision amidst a unique situation is not evidence of critical character failure. And anyone that tries to tie that knot is not coming to the conversation with emotional honesty.
As his own teammate said
If there is additional evidence aside from what I mentioned about his reserved personality and some AAU coasting as he was dominating, I'd like to see it.
And according to TyTy Washington, Sharpe not playing was in fact a Cal decision:
LINK
Which infers pretty heavily that it wasn't Sharpe not wanting to play, and Cal has acknowledged this too.
As his own teammate said
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TyTy Washington, who is participating in the NBA Combine, had a practical bottom-line reaction to Sharpe’s basketball trajectory.
“If I had a child and they say he’s top five and won’t have to play a minute of college, we’re going to take that route,” Washington said during a Combine interview session Thursday.
Washington acknowledged that some UK fans could be unhappy.
“It sucks that he didn’t get a chance to play,” Washington said. “It sucks that people didn’t get to see him play.
“We all know at the end of the day, the game of basketball at the highest level is a business. So, you know, you’ve got to do what’s best for you and yours. Not so much for everybody else. If that’s what Shaedon feels is best for him and his, then I’m going to support him all the way because that’s my brother.”
If there is additional evidence aside from what I mentioned about his reserved personality and some AAU coasting as he was dominating, I'd like to see it.
And according to TyTy Washington, Sharpe not playing was in fact a Cal decision:
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Washington said Sharpe was ready to play and contribute by season’s end.
“Most definitely …,” he said. “You could see so much improvement.”
Washington said he did not speak with Sharpe about the lack of playing time. When asked how he sensed Sharpe felt about not playing, Washington said, “I’m pretty sure down inside, he was not upset, but just like any kid who loves basketball wants to play. Nobody wants to sit around and practice every day. And go to the games and watch your teammates play. Nobody wants to go through all that bumping and grinding and all that heavy stuff, and then not play.”
LINK
Which infers pretty heavily that it wasn't Sharpe not wanting to play, and Cal has acknowledged this too.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:25 pm to Fun Bunch
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In the very same podcast where Russillo and KOC vaguely mentioned that there are concerns around his camp, it was mentioned they he’s quiet and likes to workout in the gym a lot.
Bronc clearly doesn’t feel like Russillo is plugged into these kinds things, because Russillo is also the one that has brought up the Wood locker room issues on multiple occasions, and he just pretends that it’s not real or something.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:32 pm to Fun Bunch
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But almost no player we draft should play significant minutes for us.
And that's just a dumb thing to say.
We are picking 8th, not 50th.
Define significant minutes. As i said, i expect him to play in 50-60 games or more, and 17mpg+, depending on how good he actually is, and there's without a doubt the minutes available for this draft pick to get that.
Who is backing up BI? DG/Naji?
Who is backing up Herb? Trey?
WHo's backing up Zion? Jax?
You telling me we can't draft a guy that can compete with Jax and Naji right now? Hate to break it to you, but if they can't, then they are more than likely not going to amount to much of anything. I don't even expect DG or Jax to be on this team by the trade deadline, and having a draft pick come in and outperform them makes that even easier.
and you can give a guy those minutes, and then make the playoffs and he barely play b/c he's not ready for that level of competition, and it's still ok, but there's no reason to not get the significant minutes in the regular season i'm describing to the 8th pick unless they suck.
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We are just different than the normal team picking 8th,
No. We aren't. And that excuse makes no sense b/c every year we see playoff teams make picks in the late teens and 20's that get significant playing time.
y'all keep trying to say this to me, yet you can't give me an example of a top 10 pick that just sat around not playing for a year or two while he "developed" then started getting minutes and playing great. There was one answer given, and that was CJ, but he missed time b/c of injury, not b/c he sucked.
Nesmith is in his second season and still can't get significant playing time on the Celtics as the 14th pick, and neither could Langford as the 14th pick with 3 years of experience, but somehow 26th pick Payton Pritchard has found a way to the court, as well as 22nd pick Grant Williams, and they've been doing it from the get go.
If you guys want to draft someone that you don't want to give minutes too, then we should trade down to like 42nd and pick a draft and stash player from overseas.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:34 pm to Epic Cajun
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Bronc clearly doesn’t feel like Russillo is plugged into these kinds things, because Russillo is also the one that has brought up the Wood locker room issues on multiple occasions, and he just pretends that it’s not real or something.
"concerns around his camp"
Meaning what?
I'm simply asking for sourcing. I listen to both of them and the couple times I've heard Sharpe's name get mentioned its overwhelming positives and the only negative had to do with the lack of tape(valid concern), and the unique way his college played out and how Kentucky fans are mad(not really valid from a character perspective when almost anyone in his situation would do the same).
I get your ready to jump onto the accusations and take them as gospel cause it may offer an opportunity to "own" me or relitigate the Christian Wood stuff, but unlike you, I like to have sufficient evidence on something before I declare it a fact or draw conclusions from it...
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:36 pm to Bronc
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I get your ready to jump onto the accusations and take them as gospel
No one is saying this.
Only you.
No one is treating rumors as fact here, despite you trying to take innocuous comments and ramp them up to 11. As always.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:40 pm to Bronc
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I get your ready to jump onto the accusations and take them as gospel cause it may offer an opportunity to "own" me or relitigate the Christian Wood stuff, but unlike you, I like to have sufficient evidence on something before I declare it a fact or draw conclusions from it.
I’m not trying to “own” you or anything at all, and what I or anyone on the board draws from the comments of Russillo and KOC is irrelevant, but I just know that I haven’t heard any other top 10 prospects “camp” being mentioned at all. I actually would want Sharpe if he dropped to 8, but that doesn’t mean that there’s zero potential downside to drafting him.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:44 pm to Fun Bunch
If he does, they better fricking sprint to the podium to announce them picking him!!
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:46 pm to chRxis
If the Pels pick him, it means that they have investigated all of this stuff and found it to be nonsense.
I trust to a certain degree their evaluation in that process.
I trust to a certain degree their evaluation in that process.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:51 pm to TeddyPadillac
Teddy:
It is incredibly rare for teams picking in the top 10 to be in a position like we are where our team is, when healthy, a second round to Western Conference Finals level team, that is full of young talent up and down the roster.
I would actually like to turn the challenge around, can you name me the teams in the last 7 years that drafted top 8 and had a second round playoff caliber roster already in tow? I've literally got GS, who has taken Kuminga/Wiseman/Mooody. 2 of which have largely sat and developed, and Boston with Tatum, who was somewhat also unique in that Brad Stevens was heralded as a savant because he took a weak roster the year before, that many considered lottery at best, and won over 50 games.
Despite what you are saying, the Pels situation is rather unique.
Yes, there roster isn't flawless, but when healthy, you sort of have your 8-9 man rotation set:
CJ
Herb
BI
Zion
JV
Murphy, Jax, Nance, Jose
There is room for a 1/2/3 guard/wing that can shoot and defend to steal 15-20 minutes, or step up with injury, but this roster is going to be tough to crack unless the player you get is a "guy" right out the gate, and in a weaker draft at 8 you arent really banking on that.
It is incredibly rare for teams picking in the top 10 to be in a position like we are where our team is, when healthy, a second round to Western Conference Finals level team, that is full of young talent up and down the roster.
I would actually like to turn the challenge around, can you name me the teams in the last 7 years that drafted top 8 and had a second round playoff caliber roster already in tow? I've literally got GS, who has taken Kuminga/Wiseman/Mooody. 2 of which have largely sat and developed, and Boston with Tatum, who was somewhat also unique in that Brad Stevens was heralded as a savant because he took a weak roster the year before, that many considered lottery at best, and won over 50 games.
Despite what you are saying, the Pels situation is rather unique.
Yes, there roster isn't flawless, but when healthy, you sort of have your 8-9 man rotation set:
CJ
Herb
BI
Zion
JV
Murphy, Jax, Nance, Jose
There is room for a 1/2/3 guard/wing that can shoot and defend to steal 15-20 minutes, or step up with injury, but this roster is going to be tough to crack unless the player you get is a "guy" right out the gate, and in a weaker draft at 8 you arent really banking on that.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:55 pm to Macintosh504
We don't know for sure.
But it makes sense when you add in he chose NOT to participate in the combine workouts, scrimmages, or interviews.
Why wouldn't he participate in the combine?
If he's such a "grinder" why does he shy from competition?
But it makes sense when you add in he chose NOT to participate in the combine workouts, scrimmages, or interviews.
Why wouldn't he participate in the combine?
If he's such a "grinder" why does he shy from competition?
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:57 pm to Epic Cajun
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I’m not trying to “own” you or anything at all, and what I or anyone on the board draws from the comments of Russillo and KOC is irrelevant, but I just know that I haven’t heard any other top 10 prospects “camp” being mentioned at all.
Like I said and continue to ask for, just give me some sources or point me in the specific direction(which podcast would be nice to see if it's one I missed and can then judge myself, as can anyone else that chooses)
"concerns about his camp" is so vague as to be meaningless without further context.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:58 pm to Kerchek
That is one thing that has scouts particularly upset.
And apparently the workouts he is doing aren't exactly at high speed and are pretty controlled.
Scouts are a fickle bunch.
And apparently the workouts he is doing aren't exactly at high speed and are pretty controlled.
Scouts are a fickle bunch.
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