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TeddyPadillac
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Possible madeup future trade scenarios
Sorry for being so long. I'm bored and ready for snow.

We are nearing the point where a lot of contracts that were signed this offseason are starting to become tradeable due to restrictions coming off.

Here's to looking at teams that may be ready to blow it up.
I think Memphis is an obvious one.
Charlotte is getting mighty close to it.
The Clippers probably have no shot at the playoffs.
Orlando has floundered big time from their hot start, although i'm not sure they want to blow it up.
Teams like Chicago and Dallas know they suck and would probably give up decent older guys if they got back a decent haul of young players or picks.


We obviously need some help at the SF position, but I think we desperately need some help down low as well.

The way Miller has been playing, and even Moore helps out tremendously so the need for more back court support isn't as much as we anticipated when the season started. Wish Clark was more serviceable, and we may need that if Jameer or Rondo gets hurt at some point, but he can be a filler in a trade if needed at this point the way he's playing.


Looking at the teams I pointed out here's who I think we should look at.

Memphis: I think they would love to get rid of Parsons, and he's actually shooting really well right now, but that ain't happening.
Wright and Ennis are the guys I would want, but the only feasible trade I could see is Wright for Ajinca/Diallo. You could do Asik for both of them, but I wouldn't want to give up a first round pick for those two expirings. Nothing big here, just adding some depth down low and getting rid of contracts without giving up picks.

Charlotte: If they keep sucking it up then the guy I want is Marvin Williams. he's hitting over 40% from three again. Could do Asik/Diallo/Clark and a first for 2 more years of Marvin at $13M/yr. He's getting old and he's not as good on defense as he used to be, but he can definitely be a great backup 4 on this team.
Batum has been mediocre enough that his value has dropped, but like with Parsons, we can't make a trade with someone making that much unless we throw in Solo or Moore, and i'd prefer Moore over both of them and I doubt anyone wants 3 years of Solo/Asik contract, even with a pick attached to it.

Clippers: Easy, Ajinca/Diallo for Lou Williams. If they need a 2nd round pick, let em have it. Would love Lou on this team. Not sure if Diallo and a 2nd is enough though.

Orlando: would love Fournier, but not sure if Orlando would take a Asik/Ajinca/Diallo first round pick for him. probably need two firsts.

Chicago: Valentine and Portis for Ajinca/Diallo and a first. Although that's probably not enough for both of them. Ajinca and the first for Valentine would suffice for me though. Mirotic can't be traded until January, but i'd gladly take him too, but they might be over the whole fight fiasco stuff by then.

Dallas: Matthews is taking 6 threes a game and hitting 40%. has two years left. Asik/Ajinca/Clark and a first for Matthews seems like a lot, and i'm not sure i'd do that, but i'm sure he's available. he'd at least be an expiring contract next year at worst.
Nerlens is begging to get out. Ajinca/Diallo and a 2nd for Nerlens would be awesome.
Asik/Moore/Diallo/Clark and a first for Matthews/Nerlens?

I know Dell is dying to unload that first round pick. what happens over the next 6 weeks will be very telling on what teams will be looking to get rid of guys, and what teams will be looking for some upgrades for a playoff push.


brmark70816
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
I really want some youth on the team and hope they don't trade anymore picks. This is a super loaded draft and they should be able to find a contributor even in the low 20's. I really want to see what Diallo and Jackson can do before we ship out either one of them too..


TeddyPadillac
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
I don't think Diallo will ever give us quality minutes.

When is Jackson supposed to be ready to play? Shouldn't he be about ready to get back, assuming he didn't have any setbacks? Not that I expect him to play this year and contribute, but i'd like to see what he does in the G-League at least.


ShamelessPel
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
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I really want to see what Diallo and Jackson can do before we ship out either one of them too..


I don't care if we miss out on the future of these two if you can find a nice return for them. One still looks like a dear in headlights, and the other is an injury prone super athlete. As we know, injury prone and the Pels are like oil and water.


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TigerinATL
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
I think the role players are playing well enough that we don't have the assets to get an actual upgrade. Demps may love trading 1sts, but he's not going to trade it willy nilly with no actual need forcing a move.


whatiknowsofar
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
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I think the role players are playing well enough that we don't have the assets to get an actual upgrade.


This.

Unless that magical amazing starting 3 becomes available I don't see us doing anything with our first round pick.


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Crewz
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I agree. Barring a Rondo injury, I don't see us trading the first this year. No need


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brmark70816
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It takes front court players time. Diallo was really raw and might take a couple more seasons to find his niche. Going to be even more difficult with Cousins and Davis ahead of him. I thought his floor was an Amir Johnson type of player. I think he can still be a solid back up.

Jackson is the tricky one. He is a natural SG and a great athlete. But we moved Holiday to that spot long term and have a solid back up in Moore for the next 2 seasons. So I don't see him getting any minutes, once he is healthy, outside garbage time. I like him as a player, but drafting/trading for him made no sense with the depth we had (then we signed another SG in Clark). I wish we would have kept Bacon or got the Oregon kid instead (the one that plays forthe Grizzlies). Either one would have played big minutes for us this year..


TeddyPadillac
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
I agree. And I think if Solo comes back and plays well, we'll be sitting pretty. Trust me, I dont' want to trade the pick either unless it's for a legit player.

But that doesn't change the fact that we have no depth at the 4 and 5.
It would be nice to get another post player, even if he's just a rental like Nerlens or Okafor.

We don't need to make some huge splash right now, although I think we need to at some point in the next year, and I just stated all those b/c it happens every year at the trade deadline, teams looks to unload players on teams that suck, and playoff teams try to bolster their team. I think adding someone as simple as Brandon Wright would be really nice.
This post was edited on 12/7 at 12:16 pm


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Crewz
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
Allen, Clark, and Nelson will be gone next year. Pels will have three guards and they love playing three guard lineups

There will be tons of minutes for Jackson IF he can play. There will be more of a need at guard next year than SF (Hill, Miller, and the third guard in 3 guard lineups)


brmark70816
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
You forgot Rondo, unless they can resign him, which will be pretty expensive. But lets say they do resign him. That still leaves a massive hole at back up PG. It would be the opportune time to draft one with upside to learn under Rondo for a couple of seasons. I don't see Jackson playing PG, so he'll still be stuck behind our other two SGs. Unless he can make a drastic change to his game and slide over..


Crewz
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
I never forget..anything.

Rondo will be back


Crewz
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
Also, stop thinking about positions in such simple terms.

Jackson can play guard and defend both positions, play similar to Nelson offensively. It's not like Nelson plays traditional point like Rondo. Off ball a ton.

Point is: No need to trade Jackson because there won't be many minutes for him. If he can play, there is opportunity next year and a ton in the future when Rondo is done


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TeddyPadillac
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
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I wish we would have kept Bacon or got the Oregon kid instead (the one that plays forthe Grizzlies). Either one would have played big minutes for us this year


Obviously we don't know what we have in Jackson, but I would have rathered Frank Mason and Bacon than Jackson. The 2nd round is a crap shoot. I'd rather double my chances with two picks than just one.


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ShamelessPel
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
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I never forget..anything.

Rondo will be back


You think Rondo is happy enough here that he'd take a discount just to keep playing with Boogie and AD, assuming Boogie re-signs?


Crewz
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
It won't require a discount


brmark70816
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
If Rondo keeps up this level of play, maturity and leadship, he is going to get some nice offers this offseason. Maybe not quite George Hill money. But at least a couple seasons and 10M+ a year. You are saying the Pelicans will pay that?


TigerinATL
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
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If Rondo keeps up this level of play, maturity and leadship, he is going to get some nice offers this offseason.


No bad team is going to pay him to be a starter. No good team will have more than the taxpayer MLE and they'll probably try to split that between multiple players. The teams in the middle should be in the MLE ballpark at best.

Would he turn down 2/$20 from a playoff bubble team to take 1/$4-$5 from the Pels? I think there's a chance he might. He likes who he's playing with and playing for, he has very high expectations, and he thinks very highly of AD and Cousins. Why leave that to be the PG somewhere that doesn't even have a 1% chance at making noise like say Indiana?


brmark70816
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re: Possible madeup future trade scenarios
I have been impressed with Rondo so far and I was very opposed to picking him up. He just signed a 2Y/24M last year. His value might actually be higher by the end of this season, then when he signed that deal (on the flip side he'll be older). Why would we low ball him? I get trying to get the best deal. But he is on a prove it deal now. I doubt he'll take half of what he could get elsewhere..


Crewz
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Rondo isn't getting any good offers. Nobody will have money next year. And if they do, they don't need a point guard. And if they somehow have money and need a PG, they are a terrible team, and Rondo won't go there, nor will they want him.

I won't waste my time going through the other 29 teams but do it yourself if you get bored. There is no chance he even gets a full MLE offer no matter how well he plays moving forward


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