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re: Pels talk told me Ty Lue wasn’t a good coach!!!
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:41 am to Louisianabound88
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:41 am to Louisianabound88
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I’m just gonna agree to disagree with you and hope we’re in the same position as the Jazz next year
Well we can both agree on that.
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Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:46 am to MeanWeen225
I mean my post is literally saying that I think there is a middle ground with Lue. He’s not a great big picture systems building guy, he’s not a savant like basketball mind that is going to unlock or think outside the box like creating point Zion, he’s an above average 7 game series tactician, he’s a very good superstar manager, he’s a very questionable youth developer and young team coach(see his post Lebron meltdown and flame out).
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:52 am to oncealurker
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The problem is y’all listen to the retards on this board as to what you should believe and shouldn’t believe. If whatiknowsofar and FunBunch knew so damn much, they’d be coaching in the league themselves.
Not sure why I’m included on this. I was pretty neutral on Lue when we were looking at him 8 months ago and even pretty much said “with so many teams looking at him, maybe we don’t know shite on here”
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Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:53 am to Bronc
Ok I’ll go along with you.
1. He switched the line up from zubac to batum, putting pressure on Gobert to come out and defend, all while knowing Gobert can’t create anything for himself on offense besides an offensive rebound outback dunk. Did a great job making sure his guys knew to always put a body on Gobert when a shot went up (very underrated aspect of the game).
2. After game 2 just like in the mavs series, decides to make kawhi the primary defender on Mitchell all while having the ability for his lineup 1-5 to be able to switch on anyone without it being a mismatch. Gobert’s lack of offensive presence allowed that to happen and ty lue noticed it and made it happen
3. Gave Terrance Mann rondo minutes (which I didn’t love because I think the world of rondo’s IQ) but it CLEARLY paid off last night
1. He switched the line up from zubac to batum, putting pressure on Gobert to come out and defend, all while knowing Gobert can’t create anything for himself on offense besides an offensive rebound outback dunk. Did a great job making sure his guys knew to always put a body on Gobert when a shot went up (very underrated aspect of the game).
2. After game 2 just like in the mavs series, decides to make kawhi the primary defender on Mitchell all while having the ability for his lineup 1-5 to be able to switch on anyone without it being a mismatch. Gobert’s lack of offensive presence allowed that to happen and ty lue noticed it and made it happen
3. Gave Terrance Mann rondo minutes (which I didn’t love because I think the world of rondo’s IQ) but it CLEARLY paid off last night
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:56 am to Louisianabound88
Lue has made some pretty good adjustments in the playoffs this year. No doubt.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:59 am to Fun Bunch
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Lue has made some pretty good adjustments in the playoffs this year. No doubt.
Agreed. Some people don’t understand that coaches are not magicians, their job is to make adjustments to put their players and team in the best position to make a play, it’s up to the player to make the play or not. He put them in position, they made the plays, and they won in result
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:08 am to Louisianabound88
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He switched the line up from zubac to batum, putting pressure on Gobert to come out and defend, all while knowing Gobert can’t create anything for himself on offense besides an offensive rebound outback dunk. Did a great job making sure his guys knew to always put a body on Gobert when a shot went up (very underrated aspect of the game).
This is the blueprint I already spoke about that has been created by the Rockets and Warriors for years now. I don’t consider copying it to be some sign of genius.
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2. After game 2 just like in the mavs series, decides to make kawhi the primary defender on Mitchell all while having the ability for his lineup 1-5 to be able to switch on anyone without it being a mismatch. Gobert’s lack of offensive presence allowed that to happen and ty lue noticed it and made it happen
Putting your teams beat defender on the other teams best player isn’t some galaxy brain idea. It’s basic common sense. The rest is repeating point one. Copying the Rockets/Warriors model.
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Gave Terrance Mann rondo minutes (which I didn’t love because I think the world of rondo’s IQ) but it CLEARLY paid off last night
I mean Rondo was shooting 31% this year in the playoffs, recognizing the season is on the line and playoff Rondo might be done and we need to try something else isn’t some genius level move. It’s basic survival instinct. Mann having a career night as the next guy up I’m not sure gets Lue top tier coach level credit.
Like I said, he’s solid. Put Lue in the right circumstance and he can be amongst the best choices for certain teams, particularly ones with vets and vet superstars. Put him in last years Pels team and I don’t think point Zion happens but I also don’t think Lue is getting scapegoated and he probably remains endeared to the players better. But I think the post-Lebron Cavs proved he’s also not well built for youth rebuilds. And that there is good chance that had Lue been here, we would be talking about it also being a disaster and Lue frustrated he’s having to teach basics to kids and building a system and team from the ground up. Which does not seem to be his core competency.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:16 am to Bronc
Ok man you got it figured out. Let me ask you who do you think is the greatest coach ever and tell me what in game decisions they did to make them that in your opinion?
I just want to know what makes a great coach to you. To me a great coach is one that can figure out what adjustments to make in the biggest games whether that adjustment is having a guy tie his shoe a certain way to make him close out quicker on defense. I don’t care how SMALL you think the adjustment is, the question is did he MAKE IT and did it work.
I just want to know what makes a great coach to you. To me a great coach is one that can figure out what adjustments to make in the biggest games whether that adjustment is having a guy tie his shoe a certain way to make him close out quicker on defense. I don’t care how SMALL you think the adjustment is, the question is did he MAKE IT and did it work.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 11:20 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:19 am to Bronc
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he’s a very good superstar manager, he’s a very questionable youth developer and young team coach(see his post Lebron meltdown and flame out).
Who did do good with that young cavs team? It was terrible. Belein didn't do any better.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:23 am to Bronc
Doc Rivers had this same team last year with more talent (Lou Williams, Harrell). Doc couldn’t make those small adjustments that lue is able to make to get them over the top
They lose against the mavs and jazz if doc was the coach down 0-2 to those teams IMO
They lose against the mavs and jazz if doc was the coach down 0-2 to those teams IMO
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 11:26 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:25 am to Chalkywhite84
Ty Lue literally melted down and ran away.
I’m not sure he’s the guy to be building a ground up team and teaching NBA basics to kids.
It seems clear he doesn’t want that life either. So this thread seems primarily an exercise in trying to be “right on the Internet” and making a spectacle of it.
If we are poaching anyone from the Clips I’d prefer Atkinson. He’s proven he can develop young teams and foster a winning culture.
He’s much more the guy that we should have brought in for phase one, not SVG. And now that Atkinson has had the chance to see what superstar management requires, I think he’d be a pretty well rounded consideration….of course I don’t think he would come here because of the dysfunction and Griff’s ego desiring a yes man and not a strong personality. Which will probably be the case for a lot of quality candidates.
I’m not sure he’s the guy to be building a ground up team and teaching NBA basics to kids.
It seems clear he doesn’t want that life either. So this thread seems primarily an exercise in trying to be “right on the Internet” and making a spectacle of it.
If we are poaching anyone from the Clips I’d prefer Atkinson. He’s proven he can develop young teams and foster a winning culture.
He’s much more the guy that we should have brought in for phase one, not SVG. And now that Atkinson has had the chance to see what superstar management requires, I think he’d be a pretty well rounded consideration….of course I don’t think he would come here because of the dysfunction and Griff’s ego desiring a yes man and not a strong personality. Which will probably be the case for a lot of quality candidates.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:30 am to Louisianabound88
The dude is a good coach, he coached Lebron and the Cavs to a championship. Doc Rivers gets criticized a lot on here and the man is a really good coach having won in Boston, it wasn't his fault what happened in LA. It wouldn't be his fault if Philly had lost last nite's game and lost the series, you can only coach these guys up and he and Tyron Lue does that, but they can't go on the damn courts themselves and play and win these damn games for them. These players of today's game have to find that in themselves to do that.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 11:34 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:33 am to Bronc
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So this thread seems primarily an exercise in trying to be “right on the Internet” and making a spectacle of it.
You’re the one trying to discredit a good coaching job by saying his adjustments were so obvious to make, all to say you’re right about him not being a good coach
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:33 am to Louisianabound88
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Doc Rivers had this same team last year with more talent (Lou Williams, Harrell). Doc couldn’t make those small adjustments that lue is able to make to get them over the top
This Clips team wouldn’t be sniffing a series victory if they played that healthy Nuggets team a year ago.
If people want to be honest this season is simply going to be known as the attrition year.
Injuries have upended everything and it is coming down to who can keep their superstars healthy enough to crawl across the finish line.
If Kawhi is done and PG gets banged up in the Phoenix series, we can see just how “great” Lue truly is. But I suspect like everyone else not named the Bucks, if his best players get hobbled and the other team maintains better health, you can write in the final result early and bank on it.
Vice versa is also true. If CP3 is out and Kawhi comes back, Nets can’t get healthy, Clips probably win a chip. If Nets get helathier and Kawhi doesn’t come back, it will be a short finals if Clips can get there.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 11:36 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:40 am to Bronc
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If Kawhi is done and PG gets banged up in the Phoenix series, we can see just how “great” Lue truly is.
This is so dumb and is my last response to you. That’s like saying if Zion gets hurt we’re going to see how good our coach really is. OF COURSE YOU NEED GOOD PLAYERS TO PLAY. This is irrelevant
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:42 am to Louisianabound88
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You’re the one trying to discredit a good coaching job by saying his adjustments were so obvious to make, all to say you’re right about him not being a good coach
Nowhere have I discredited his adjustments, which assumes you’ve actually established what you’ve tried to argue, which is Lue as an elite coach based on those adjustments. I’ve questioned if those adjustments are proof of elite coaching and asked you to qualify your illustrious praise and dickish trolling and like I pre-empted, much of the argument relies on elevating rather obvious adjustments and treating favorable circumstance as signs of elite genius.
No one has said he didn’t make good adjustments. Three times now I have said he is an above average 7 game series tactician. A very good superstar personality manager, but a questionable youth, development, and structural foundation builder. Which is why I don’t think he would be the right fit here, then or now(and it’s not like it was even an option since, you know, he turned Griff down).
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 11:43 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:44 am to Louisianabound88
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This is so dumb and is my last response to you. That’s like saying if Zion gets hurt we’re going to see how good our coach really is. OF COURSE YOU NEED GOOD PLAYERS TO PLAY. This is irrelevant
Yet you won’t factor that into the Jazz series….you are helping unravel your own arguments and you don’t even realize it lol
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:10 pm to Bronc
Lue clearly is flexible and adapts well to matchups - that's clearly evident in the two Clips series this season. He builds very good relationships with his players as well. He has a 67% career win percentage and is a better playoff coach than reg. season coach. He's top 10 in the modern NBA, maybe top 5.
Yeah, I remember this board trying to convince itself that Van Gundy > Lue. Most of us know nothing about what makes a coach great, myself included. So much of coaching happens behind the scenes, so it's difficult to really know a coach's impact. I just know Lue gets results in the modern NBA, makes adjustments in long series and games and his players seem to like him - 3 characteristics that VG clearly did not have. He's done well with his stars. When his stars get injured he still does well.
I'd hope the new Pels coach is in that mold - adaptable, gets along with the modern player, understands the modern NBA, etc. The league is different now.
Yeah, I remember this board trying to convince itself that Van Gundy > Lue. Most of us know nothing about what makes a coach great, myself included. So much of coaching happens behind the scenes, so it's difficult to really know a coach's impact. I just know Lue gets results in the modern NBA, makes adjustments in long series and games and his players seem to like him - 3 characteristics that VG clearly did not have. He's done well with his stars. When his stars get injured he still does well.
I'd hope the new Pels coach is in that mold - adaptable, gets along with the modern player, understands the modern NBA, etc. The league is different now.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:43 pm to Bronc
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which assumes you’ve actually established what you’ve tried to argue, which is Lue as an ELITE coach
Thread title reads “Pels talk told me Ty Lue wasn’t a GOOD coach.
Am I saying the man is the 2nd coming of Phil Jackson? No, I just heard how much of a terrible coach he was and he’s proving that to be false
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:44 pm to TigerinATL
Pels need to sign Chauncey Billups. He probably is a better X and O guy and he is a champion. He will command respect of our players. Plus, he can still relate to them. He is the guy that we need. And he will have the ability to get the assistants he needs.
Also, I think he has the balls to pushback on Griff interfering with his lineups, plays, etc.
Also, I think he has the balls to pushback on Griff interfering with his lineups, plays, etc.
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