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re: Pels one of six teams pursuing Larry Nance, Jr.

Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:33 am to
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:33 am to
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Either a source is credible or not.

You don’t just get to pick and choose what you want to believe is true like it’s a buffet. Or add facts that don’t have source evidence supporting it.

The rumor is multiple teams including the Pels have inquired about Nance, that so far an offer of multiple firsts has been rejected as not enough.

I'm a bit baffled at how stupid this post is.

How remarkable that the Cavs would be the first front office in history to leak a fake offer to a beat writer.

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The rumor is multiple teams including the Pels have inquired about Nance, that so far an offer of multiple firsts has been rejected as not enough.

But you're ASSUMING that the offer was two firsts for Nance straight up. You do not know that.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:38 am to
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I'm a bit baffled at how stupid this post is.

How remarkable that the Cavs would be the first front office in history to leak a fake offer to a beat writer.


I’m not the one trying to inject my motivated reasoning to make narratives fit what I want to be true.

This is how people fall for fake news.

Is there the possibility this is a strategic leak? Absolutely, but that possibility doesn’t mean you get to turn the report into a buffet and just pick the parts that fit the narrative you want to be true. Add facts you want to be true to fill gaps. Which is what you are doing.

If this is a strategic leak than everything in it is equally called into question, including whether the Pels even inquired. And a strategic leak can just as much mean they are trying to jolt the price up more than what is already given. But because you don’t want that to be true, without evidence, you are picking to dismiss that component while accepting as fact the rest.

That’s not how this works
This post was edited on 3/8/21 at 10:39 am
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27883 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:49 am to
Sometimes I think you use fifty words when zero would have done just fine.

You're arguing just to argue. Just acknowledge that you don't know the deal on the table. You're assuming that you do, but you don't know it.

Even if I assume that everything in the rumor is true, it's still quite possible that the offer on the table was never two firsts for Nance straight up. It could very well be true, but it also could be a handful of other deals that involved two firsts.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 11:00 am to
No one knows the veracity of the rumor is the point, but you waltz in acting like the rumor is a buffet for you to pick and choose(and add facts that aren’t there) to get to the narrative you want to be true.

It doesn’t work like that.

This post was edited on 3/8/21 at 11:03 am
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27883 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 11:10 am to
This is the poorest argument you’ve made that I have come across. Wtf are you even talking about?
Posted by jprdbulldog20
Member since Feb 2013
19157 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 11:16 am to
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Wtf are you even talking about?


He sounds hungry with all that buffet talk
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 11:33 am to
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This is the poorest argument you’ve made that I have come across. Wtf are you even talking about?




Those two sentences don’t work together you know that right? You can’t both not know what I’m saying and think it is poor.




Rumor:

CLE has multiple suitors and at least one has offered multiple late firsts for Nance but Cleveland values Nance more than that and wants a better offer.

Totes:

Well I’m just gonna assume CLE doesn’t value him that high, didn’t get that offer, and would take two really late first rounders in a heartbeat, heck, they almost assuredly would take less than that eventually.

Me:

It doesn’t work like that, you’re just cherry picking and adding and subtracting facts without any evidence to do so.

Totes:

I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT THATS THE POOREST ARGUMENT IVE EVER SEEN!!!
This post was edited on 3/8/21 at 11:38 am
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
12040 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 11:49 am to
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To be clear, I don’t think that’s what Nance would go for. If a team offered Cleveland two firsts, even if it was the Lakers and Bucks’ shitty firsts, they’d have taken the deal by now.

But, to answer your question, it depends on the situation. If I’m one role player away, of course I’m giving up two shitty picks for him. If not, probably not.

People are looking at Nance’s stats and coming to a conclusion about him. That’s an awful way to evaluate him. He’s a fantastic defender who can shoot and he gives a shite. He’s like if Nico Melli were good.


Have watched him play for several years (not so much this year as he has been injured). He is a very good defender and ok shooter. Love his hustle. Players like him are not special enough to invest too much as far as draft capital. However, his contract is very good for a role player.
This post was edited on 3/8/21 at 11:54 am
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27883 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:15 pm to
Maybe take a break from this thread, man.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 3:20 pm to
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Maybe take a break from this thread, man.



Translation:

Leave me alone and stop pointing out my idiotic logic and magical thinking because I can't actually defend it

This post was edited on 3/8/21 at 3:23 pm
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