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re: Pels Game 57
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:19 pm to Broski
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:19 pm to Broski
You’re bringing up his plus/minus. If you’re going to bring up plus/minus as an issue why Zion wasn’t great- than you’re saying the team was better without Zion- which obviously wasn’t true. You can’t just use the plus/minus when you don’t believe the team is better without him playing. Its just a silly thing to use unless you believe he should have been benched because of his plus/minus.
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:20 pm to Broski
quote:Last year?
Trey's biggest issue these last two years is that he has like a 4-5 game stretch where he is on fire followed by a 10-11 game stretch where he sucks.
He had a .650 TS% last season. That's not possible if he's good only 1/3rd of the time.
This year, absolutely. Hell, he doesn't even have many good 4-5 game stretches even.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:20 pm to Pels_Yaz
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You’re bringing up his plus/minus.
To point out he had a bad game and deserves some blame.
I'm not derailing another thread in our monthly game of Pels Talk gotcha.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:21 pm to Broski
I love the intensity I saw from Zion tonight and the effort rebounding. Give me that the rest of the year, put BI and CJ back around him and I’m good. And maybe just the occasional call going in his favor.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:21 pm to shel311
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He had a .650 TS% last season. That's not possible if he's good only 1/3rd of the time.
I recall a decently long stretch last year where he absolutely went in the tank.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:22 pm to Broski
quote:It may be a minority opinion, but I'm of the opinion that shooters should always shoot and just.. Keep shooting
Maybe, but I think it's more telling on how this roster has zero shooting depth that we're clamoring for Trey to get crunch time minutes, when he has been a smelly a-hole for over a month.
If we we were fully or mostly healthy, I can easily see a world where Trey doesn't close. But tonight. With what was leftover, I'm of the opinion that there is no reason JRE should ever close over Trey.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:24 pm to shel311
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I'm of the opinion that there is no reason JRE should ever close over Trey.
I tend to agree most nights, but tonight JRE was giving us the Jose hustle once Jose went out. He caused a couple of turnovers, but we didn't capitalize... probably because JRE was in the game and he can't score for shite, but neither can Trey right now.
Like I said earlier, it's a shitty situation you're in if you have to chose between those two to close out a close game.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:24 pm to Broski
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Again, he was -23 which was worse on the team
GTFO with this bullshite stat. JRE was +16, best on the team. Let's start him Sunday.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:25 pm to Broski
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To point out he had a bad game and deserves some blame. I'm not derailing another thread in our monthly game of Pels Talk gotcha.
Im not playing gotchya. Thats not a logical take.
Lets use your logic. Herb Jones was -8. Man he must have had a bad game. Does this make sense to you?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:25 pm to medtiger
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GTFO with this bullshite stat. JRE was +16, best on the team. Let's start him Sunday.
Oh good god
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:26 pm to Broski
quote:I don't know, maybe
I recall a decently long stretch last year where he absolutely went in the tank
Just looking at splits, all but 1 month was over .600 TS%. And the 1 month was just over .580 which is fantastic if that's your worst month as a role player.
But within the months and smaller stretches, I guess it's possible there was more volatility.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:27 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Lets use your logic. Herb Jones was -8. Man he must have had a bad game. Does this make sense to you?
-23 is not the same as -8, especially when it's your star getting the -23.
But fine, take +/- out of it. Zion had 1 more point than he had FG attempt. You're bending over backwards to say Zion didn't have a bad game... he had a bad game.
When your star has a bad game, more times than not, that's why you lose.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:29 pm to Broski
quote:Definitely a bad Zion game imo
Blaming Zion isn't warranted tonight?
Again, he was -23 which was worse on the team. He had 23 points on 22 shots.
But I think it was more results than process, which imo is a good thing, or better than the alternative
I think Zion was bad with the main reason being an inefficient shooting night, basically the shots that's usually fall just didn't fall.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:32 pm to Broski
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Oh good god
Glad you understand how ridiculous you sound in your arguments the last 2 pages.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:32 pm to Broski
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Your bending over backwards to say Zion didn't have a bad game... he had a bad game.
You’re assuming I’m saying that. But to be clear Zion could have been better but under the circumstances(injuries, players tossed) he wasn’t the reason we lost.
Zion didn’t have a great game but I wouldn’t say thats a bad game. You’re bending over backwards to show that he did- hence the plus/minus takes. He could have been better but he had no help on a lot of fronts. Honestly I’ve said this before I feel like you expect Zion to be super elite top 3 player in the league- I think you need to level your expectations of him hes not Jokic.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:33 pm to shel311
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But I think it was more results than process, which imo is a good thing, or better than the alternative
For me it's just worrisome that night in and night out Zion is not getting the calls, while he is clearly getting gassed after he hits 32 MP.
That doesn't bode well for postseason Zion who will definitely not be getting contact calls then and will have to play more than 32 minutes.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:33 pm to medtiger
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Glad you understand how ridiculous you sound in your arguments the last 2 pages.
Oh god good
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:33 pm to Pels_Yaz
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You’re assuming I’m saying that. But to be clear Zion could have been better but under the circumstances(injuries, players tossed) he wasn’t the reason we lost.
Zion didn’t have a great game but I wouldn’t say thats a bad game. You’re bending over backwards to show that he did- hence the plus/minus takes. He could have been better but he had no help on a lot of fronts. Honestly I’ve said this before I feel like you expect Zion to be super elite top 3 player in the league- I think you need to level your expectations of him hes not Jokic.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:38 pm to Broski
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For me it's just worrisome that night in and night out Zion is not getting the calls, while he is clearly getting gassed after he hits 32 MP.
The limited calls Zion gets is a huge problem. Not just because we don’t score, but he usually ends up under the basket or on his back and we get in horrible defensive situations, not to mention Zion has to bust arse (hopefully) to get back on defense, which gasses him even more.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:41 pm to LSUgrad88
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The limited calls Zion gets is a huge problem.
Agreed, and hopefully that changes next season once Zion (hopefully) finally gets a full season under his belt. Unfortunately though, it's not going to change the rest of this season and especially for the playoffs... and that puts us in a bind.
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