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Nba.com - Zion Williamson in midst of historical stretch of scoring, efficiency

Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:48 pm
Posted by P bean
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:48 pm
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Enjoy it Pels talk. Not hard to do. Except for the turds on here criticizing him lol. Its hard for them for some reason.



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Zion Williamson in midst of historical stretch of scoring, efficiency by Jim Eichenhofer @Jim_Eichenhofer Posted: Jan 22, 2021



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by Jim Eichenhofer @Jim_Eichenhofer Posted: Jan 22, 2021 Thirty-seven regular season games into his NBA career, Zion Williamson has mostly defied player comparisons, but in late December, Phoenix head coach Monty Williams likened the 20-year-old to a physically dominant power forward from the 1990s. “Zion is just an unbelievable force,” the former New Orleans sideline leader said. “I don’t know any other way to describe it. He reminds me so much of Charles Barkley, a guy (with) that size who is dynamic and that strong, able to jump over bigger guys, overpower smaller guys. He seems to just go where he wants to go.” Although there may be similarities to “Sir Charles,” even the Hall of Fame player-turned-TNT-analyst never produced a stretch as effective and efficient as Williamson’s recent string of performances. Seemingly on a nightly basis during New Orleans’ current Western Conference road trip, the 6-foot-7 Duke University product has achieved some rare statistical feats, scoring 90 points over the past three games, despite only taking 48 shots from the field. Williamson was a highlight machine Sunday at Sacramento en route to shooting 13/15 and scoring 31 points, then went for 32 on 14/19 accuracy against Utah. In Thursday’s rematch with the Jazz, he again showed no hesitation in driving directly into and over two-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year Rudy Gobert, scoring 27 points on 9/14 shooting. Add it up, and the second-year pro has shot 75 percent over the three-game span, missing only 12 of those 48 attempts. “Zion is a great attacker and can really finish around the basket,” Pelicans head coach Stan Van Gundy said prior to Thursday’s game. “We know he’s really special in that way.” Speaking of special, Williamson’s week has sent NBA analysts and statisticians scrambling to try to determine exactly how unique his offensive accomplishments have been. Here’s a sampling of some of the findings:





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Per Elias Sports Bureau, he’s the youngest player in NBA history to notch consecutive games of 30-plus points on 70-plus percent shooting. At an age of 20 years, 197 days, Williamson’s Tuesday game at Utah gave him that accomplishment. He’s actually the most likely player of any age this season to post this combination of numbers, because among the league’s top 40 scorers, he’s the only one shooting over 58 percent from the field. From that top-40 group, the only bigs within shouting distance of Williamson’s 59.4 percent are Denver’s Nikola Jokic (57.3) and Indiana’s Domantas Sabonis (55.5). Along similar lines, he’s leading the NBA this season in field goals from the restricted area, with 99. Williamson’s combination of physicality, agility and leaping ability often allows him to get all the way to the rim, even in halfcourt situations. That’s generating a (somewhat expected) steady stream of dunks. He has 26 dunks in his 13 games, which is a similar rate to his rookie campaign, when he threw down 58 slams in 24 contests. He was the first NBA player since Allen Iverson in 1996-97 to score 750 points in fewer than 35 career games. Sometimes it’s easy to forget that Williamson still has not played the equivalent of half of a conventional 82-game regular season. He now has racked up 848 points in 37 career games, including six games of 30-plus points. Incidentally, during Iverson’s rookie season with Philadelphia, he scored 30-plus points 20 times, with four of those games coming on 60 percent or better shooting from the field. He’s heating up. Williamson is tied for third in the NBA in points scored over his last three games (90), trailing only two perennial All-Stars. Brooklyn’s Kevin Durant (110) and Portland’s Damian Lillard (93) are the league’s only players who’ve poured in more points than Williamson over their three most recent games. His 29 games of 20-plus points is tied with Shaquille O’Neal for third-most since the NBA-ABA merger in 1976-77 for any player in the first 40 games of a career. Via ESPN, this statistic means Williamson still has three more chances to add to his first-40-games total, in upcoming games on the schedule vs. Minnesota, San Antonio and Washington. Stay tuned.


This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 10:52 pm
Posted by LilWezyAna
BR
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:16 pm to
He is rightly criticized for his defense. He is absolutely utterly completely horrendous at defense

On offense however, it is absurd how well he performs when he could so easily be so much better. He has so many flaws because he’s still so young and raw in some aspects, but these flaws dont even matter much on offense because of his dominance. If no one figures out how to contain what he currently does, then just imagine what he could do if he tightens his handle, grooves his shot, and gets a better feel for the game IQ wise on offense

I’d want to again clarify, people are rightfully criticizing his defense, dont think many smart people criticize his offense
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4059 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:31 pm to
Rookies suck on defense dude lol.


Predictable that this is the response.

No cheers for Zion? Haha. Dude’s lighting it up.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:25 am to
Zion is not great defensively, but you know who’s worse? Every one of our guys from
that draft class. Naw is literally near the bottom of the league in most advanced statistical categories and bottom tenth percentile on Cleaning the Glass defensive metrics. Yet people are clamoring for him to take our best perimeter defender’s(Lonzo) minutes(and I’d agree but at least acknowledge there is a very real trade off that is likely why SVG isn’t just reflexively doing it).

You know who was statistically worse their rookie season? Brandon Ingram, and by a good bit. You know who used to be shite at defense? Jrue Holiday. Second season in the league, and amongst all point guards in the league, he was in the bottom 35th percentile in terms of opposing players EFG and on/off scoring. 3rd year in the league, Giannis, bottom 15th percentile of opposing players EFG%.

This one is the best though: Lebron James.

Bottom 17th percentile for opposing players on/off points allowed, bottom 23rd percentile for opposing players efg% his first 82 games. Both worse than Zion’s so far this year. By his third year he did improve though...to the bottom 19th percentile in defensive on/off points allowed from Cleaning the Glass.

So maybe, just fricking maybe, a person’s defensive story isn’t written 35 games in and getting into a hissy fit over it belies the logic of many historical greats that struggled early on
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 2:37 am
Posted by Milesahead
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2007
572 posts
Posted on 1/23/21 at 5:16 am to
Excellent post. We need a voice of sanity here
Posted by Billy Mays
Member since Jan 2009
25277 posts
Posted on 1/23/21 at 7:39 am to
Good point - NAW is an awful on ball defender and constantly fouls, giving up tons of and-1s.

People criticizing Zion need to chill the frick out - dude has surpassed all expectations that you can reasonably expect.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 7:42 am
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4059 posts
Posted on 1/23/21 at 8:47 am to
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This one is the best though: Lebron James. Bottom 17th percentile for opposing players on/off points allowed, bottom 23rd percentile for opposing players efg% his first 82 games. Both worse than Zion’s so far this year. By his third year he did improve though...to the bottom 19th percentile in defensive on/off points allowed from Cleaning the Glass. So maybe, just fricking maybe, a person’s defensive story isn’t written 35 games in and getting into a hissy fit over it belies the logic of many historical greats that struggled early on


Correct. No maybe about it! Nobody comes into the NBA and is dominant on defense - not even lebron/ad.
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4059 posts
Posted on 1/23/21 at 8:48 am to
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People criticizing Zion need to chill the frick out - dude has surpassed all expectations that you can reasonably expect.


Right. There was nothing that suggestted he would be this good so far. I wouldve been happy with 16/17 points a game through 40 games. I did not think it would be in the 20’s until he dunked all over summer league.
Posted by rondonumbanine
Member since Dec 2015
269 posts
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:21 am to
I get what the analytics say, but when I watch NAW my eyes always see him doing a good job of staying in front. Guess I’m wrong, but I personally have never thought the drop off from Lonzo to him was that big on D
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10387 posts
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:42 am to
Perimeter defense as a whole from the entire team has been lacking. Until we are able to stop teams from getting into the key as consistently as they do, we are going struggle defensively. Once teams get into the key, our defense becomes completely off balance when we collapse and are forced to rotate.
Posted by Billy Mays
Member since Jan 2009
25277 posts
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:55 am to
NAW is decent chasing dudes of the 3pt line, but as only an average athlete he does get beat with lateral quickness... to be expected to some degree.
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4059 posts
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:50 am to
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NAW is decent chasing dudes of the 3pt line, but as only an average athlete he does get beat with lateral quickness... to be expected to some degree.


He’s a young player still.

Whats hilarious is this thread has no folks coming to cheers that we have Zion.

10 responses in and we’re talking about NAW.

Meanwhile the Zion flame post made ten pages, loaded with Zion detractors
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4059 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:51 am to
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You know who was statistically worse their rookie season? Brandon Ingram, and by a good bit. You know who used to be shite at defense? Jrue Holiday. Second season in the league, and amongst all point guards in the league, he was in the bottom 35th percentile in terms of opposing players EFG and on/off scoring. 3rd year in the league, Giannis, bottom 15th percentile of opposing players EFG%. This one is the best though: Lebron James. Bottom 17th percentile for opposing players on/off points allowed, bottom 23rd percentile for opposing players efg% his first 82 games. Both worse than Zion’s so far this year. By his third year he did improve though...to the bottom 19th percentile in defensive on/off points allowed from Cleaning the Glass. So maybe, just fricking maybe, a person’s defensive story isn’t written 35 games in and getting into a hissy fit over it belies the logic of many historical greats that struggled early on


So bron, jrue, giannis and BI were worse than Zion on defense so far to start is what Im reading.

You should start a post listing all the players who’s rookie year defense is worse than Zion’s through his first 38 games.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
11705 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:49 am to
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Zion is not great defensively, but you know who’s worse? Every one of our guys from
that draft class. Naw is literally near the bottom of the league in most advanced statistical categories and bottom tenth percentile on Cleaning the Glass defensive metrics. Yet people are clamoring for him to take our best perimeter defender’s(Lonzo) minutes(and I’d agree but at least acknowledge there is a very real trade off that is likely why SVG isn’t just reflexively doing it).

You know who was statistically worse their rookie season? Brandon Ingram, and by a good bit. You know who used to be shite at defense? Jrue Holiday. Second season in the league, and amongst all point guards in the league, he was in the bottom 35th percentile in terms of opposing players EFG and on/off scoring. 3rd year in the league, Giannis, bottom 15th percentile of opposing players EFG%.

This one is the best though: Lebron James.

Bottom 17th percentile for opposing players on/off points allowed, bottom 23rd percentile for opposing players efg% his first 82 games. Both worse than Zion’s so far this year. By his third year he did improve though...to the bottom 19th percentile in defensive on/off points allowed from Cleaning the Glass.

So maybe, just fricking maybe, a person’s defensive story isn’t written 35 games in and getting into a hissy fit over it belies the logic of many historical greats that struggled early on



Damn that's wild. That makes me even more excited for Zion's next few years, which I didn't think was even possible.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14271 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:53 am to
Biggest issue I've been seeing in Zion's defensive game is he ball watches rather than watching his man.

Things like that get cleaned up with experience.
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
17472 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:57 am to
This is our third "historic" NBA player that we are wasting while our team sucks.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
11705 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:04 am to
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Biggest issue I've been seeing in Zion's defensive game is he ball watches rather than watching his man.



Which is likely a habit developed from being so much more athletic than everyone else on the court. He could recover much easier in AAU/NCAA based on being an athletic freak, that doesn't work with NBA players.
Posted by Breadstick Gun
Colorado Springs, CO
Member since Apr 2009
10171 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:42 am to
Dude you just shite on them. Bravo
Posted by jprdbulldog20
Member since Feb 2013
18938 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 4:42 pm to
lonzo also in midst of historical stretch:

"Ball is on pace to become just the second player in NBA history to log more than 30 minutes per game and shoot:
* Below 40% from the floor
* Below 30% on 3PT's
and
* Below 60% on FT's"

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