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re: Murder birds STILL trying to get Durant the Bitch - UPDATE - KD STAYING

Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:47 am to
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
35210 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:47 am to
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Someone here is talking with Brooklyn. Are they doing it without Griffins knowledge or permission? Are all the media sources lying? Please give me the scoop..

Could be Griff/Trajan doing Marks a favor by letting them leak out something like this for leverage with other teams (Trajan and Marks have a relationship). Especially if they are trying to get more out of a team from the East (like Boston), which is realistically in no competition with the Pels.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
35210 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:51 am to
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He just might. Or maybe it's a bad situation and he wants to get out.

If it's a bad situation (which it really isn't), then Durant has no one to blame but himself (and Kyrie).

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I'm sure they would have assurances if they made a move for him.
Well, he has 4 years left on his contract, that was supposed to be an assurance that he was committed to Brooklyn, then he decided he wasn't anymore. I don't want to play games with clowns that act like Durant has been acting.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112428 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 9:21 am to
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I'm sure they would have assurances if they made a move for him
He had assurances in Brooklyn and is now mad because of all the moves basically that he made.

You can't think rationally when it comes to KD, he's doing nothing that screams rational at this point.

It's too risky for a 34 year old who is always injured and looked kinda washed in the playoffs last season...and that's before we talk about how no matter what concessions/assurances he makes, the minute he gets here he can want to take over the organization entirely and have it become an immediate shite show.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
10768 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 9:50 am to
So it all comes down to Durant is old and trash. He isn't worth trading for and don't want him anyway. Got it..
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13061 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:19 am to
How many times are you going to post that screenshot?
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13061 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:21 am to
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So it all comes down to Durant is old and trash. He isn't worth trading for and don't want him anyway. Got it..


Reading comprehension not a strong suit?
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
10768 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:26 am to
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Reading comprehension not a strong suit?


Hello pot..

Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13061 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:22 am to
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Hello pot..
Assuming at this point that you are not really as clueless as you appear and are simply a troll. You completely ignored all of the posts explaining why posters did not want to make the trade.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 11:24 am
Posted by hometownhero89
Center of the Earth
Member since Aug 2007
1802 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:46 am to
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Hello pot..


Hello arrogance....FIFY. You give weed a bad name stating this, leave mary jane out of your arse clownery sir.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 11:48 am
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:52 am to
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it all comes down to Durant is old and trash. He isn't worth trading for and don't want him anyway. Got it..


34.. already had tendons go.

a record of team jumping.
this is huge. he's demanding a trade.
you cannot trust him in a problem locker room. if there are challenges we must predict he asks out.

and another thing: the connection with players matters. yes we fall in love. for example my heart belonged to Jrue. I can't connect with kd. I hope he stays in NYC.

Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
10768 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 12:11 pm to
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34.. already had tendons go


This is a legitimate concern. He is a risk and declining. But we just handed Zion a massive extension and he is a bigger risk.

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if there are challenges we must predict he asks out.



There was a guy earlier saying old and washed. So is he good and would we win with him? That's all I'm asking.

I've never heard of him being toxic and he is well liked. If he wanted to leave, we'd get a ton for him. But we are legit title contenders this year. That has to be attractive.

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and another thing: the connection with players matters. yes we fall in love.


I'm not faulting anybody for that. I get the vertrol these discussuons generate.

I've been a fan since the team arrived. Almost every year my favorite player is shipped off, cut or let walk. Paul, West, Thornton, Vasquez, Jack, Evans, Payton, Randle, Hart.. Alvarado is my guy now. He can be traded any day. I guess I'm just used to it..
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112428 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 12:59 pm to
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So it all comes down to Durant is old and trash. He isn't worth trading for and don't want him anyway. Got it..

What part of what I said is false? And you also ignored him coming here and potentially blowing up the org just like he did in Brooklyn.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112428 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:07 pm to
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But we just handed Zion a massive extension and he is a bigger risk.
It didn't cost us players and draft capital either.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112428 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:10 pm to
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I've never heard of him being toxic
Have you seen what he's done in Brooklyn?

Traded a future All Star for a washed Deandre Jordan and got him an extension

Had a coach fired and wanted Nash to be his coach

Had Harden traded to his team, then had Harden traded from his team

Now wants the coach he hand picked fired and Marks fired, despite KD controlling the biggest blunder moves.


How is that not toxic?
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
10768 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:16 pm to
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How is that not toxic?


It's all based on perspective and what you want to believe. We also don't know the particulars of what was agreed. There is genuine friction with him and the FO. His trainer was fired and there have been other changes.

I don't like his relationship with Irving. But it was a package deal and they were supposed to have a ton of control. If they changed that recently, like not extending Irving or let him play away games. There are relationships and those do fray.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7131 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:18 pm to
Team loyalty can mean different things. Personally I’d become a Rockets or Detroit fan if we traded Ingram for Durant. I’ve been a small market, underdog fan my whole life. I’d rather see my teams scratch and claw their way to the top with guys I like than take a shortcut. I realize that might just be me though.

In terms of the Griffin thing. Yes, he’s a little bit of a liar. I honestly think he is sincere when talking about Ingram though. He sounds borderline emotional every time he brings him up. Griffin talked about being miserable with the title building process in Cleveland. He’s won a shortcut title and it did not fulfill him as a “human”. I really think he avoids that type of path at all costs here.
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:25 pm to
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Yet people get all attached and imagine these romantic connections to particular players that don't exist. Every player is movable and the vast majority are traded, some many times. Its the nature of the game..


While this is generally a true statement, it ignores any sort of personal connections in the workplace.

Griffin’s dream was always to build from ground up, LeBrons homecoming shortchanged that.

Gets to New Orleans and what’s his first task?

Find a trade for Anthony Davis. Then he arguably gets the best trade haul of the last decade-prior to the Gobert trade.
Despite your personal and inexcusable bias toward Ingram, He sees immediate return on Ingram- a guy in retrospect should’ve been the number 1 pick in his draft.
A guy beloved in the locker room, despite major overhaul in roster and multiple coaching staffs , doesn’t complain and by all accounts is the heart of the team.

You’ve shite on him all year, so, take yourself out of the Ingram talks.

We get it, you don’t want him.

Durant, a player I like despite his mental issues, is older and would create the same so called issues Ingram has fit wise with Zion. He shrinks the window.

Ingram is a star player.
Even if both are fully healthy, there’s no guarantee that Ingram is the Robin, he’s still growing as a player and could be the Batman.

The organization as a whole seems to have great affinity for Ingram. Are they all just liars or does your admitted bias blind from it?
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 1:25 pm
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
10768 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 1:48 pm to
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We get it, you don’t want him.


I don't really have any strong feelings for him one way or the other. He's a solid player. I don't believe he is a 1 and I question his fit next to Zion, who I base everything around. Whatever elevates him is best. I haven't seen that in the past. But would really love to be wrong on that.

I admired him last year and was impressed down the stretch.

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The organization as a whole seems to have great affinity for Ingram. Are they all just liars or does your admitted bias blind from it?


I never said they don't like him. Major gap from willing to trade to wanting to trade. I don't believe Ingram is on the block or they want to trade him. I don't believe they called the Nets either.

I do believe they talked and I believe Ingrams name was involved. He would be what it takes to do a deal, plus whatever else.

It has to be discussed.

Posted by hometownhero89
Center of the Earth
Member since Aug 2007
1802 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 4:01 pm to
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But would really love to be wrong on that.


I'd be amazed if you could ever admit it, personally.

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I do believe they talked and I believe Ingrams name was involved. He would be what it takes to do a deal, plus whatever else.

It has to be discussed.


I'm sure it was discussed and a laugh ensued after. There's no player out there that replaces the work put into Ingram in being the leader of this team. Doing everything you suggest just wastes time for a ceiling we haven't even got close to touching yet.

Any deal with the Nets that involved losing Ingram would be a fruitless endeavor. It's good to have your silliness back though, have a nice toke, Cheech.

Posted by LSUBadger
Member since Jan 2014
2238 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 5:08 pm to
Pelicans have two big stars who don’t seem inclined to demand a say in how the roster is constructed. We also have the head of the players Union on the team and Temple who is high up in the Union. We also have veterans like JV and Nance who seem like good team players who have never caused waves.

Why would we want to risk that by acquiring a guy who doe think he should control the roster? A guy who is demanding a trade with four years left on his contract?

Guys like Lebron, KD, Kyrie and Harden have taken over franchises the past 6-7 years. Has it really worked? Other than the Covid year has it really worked? At the same time guys like Giannis and Steph and Tatum have just gone out and played.

The Pelicans seem to have a very good hand right now in terms of players, culture, future picks etc. It doesn’t seem like a good time to roll the dice with a trade that would radically change the culture and our future draft pick warchest.
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