re: Mac trigger warning - His Pels Players Trade Values

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and Herb has produced more than him to date

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Has he?


Trey was 18 and 6 per 36 last season.

There's a logjam with BI at the position Trey plays, but Herb doesn't have a BI type taking his minutes.

I wouldn't say Herb out produced Trey at all based on production in minutes played.

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Makes perfect sense…

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Sure does after I corrected your incorrect part of your logic trail. Glad I could help.


Did you also forget the part where anyone, other than you maybe, would agree that Trey very clearly has more room for growth and Herb is closer to his peak than Trey? Make sure you throw that obvious statement into your logic trail and rerun the calculation, let me know what it spits out.

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People don't get to have opinions

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That was legit one of the strangest posts I've ever seen on Pels Talk.

He literally said it's not ok for anyone's opinion to differ from his.

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I'm not even arguing Dyson's future value with y'all anymore because y'all aren't even able to comprehend his current value.

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I guess thats how it feels when people live in communist countries. Imagine being in the US and actually saying that on a message board.

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Holy shite!

My exact quote was that you don't get to choose how to value someone with an elite skillset.

Meaning whatever opinion you have on them outside of that skillset can't neglect the fact that they are elite in something. For this example its defense which is very important.

Your response was "we cant have opinions"
A little dramatic.

Y'all do realize me saying NO meant y'all are allowed to have opinions right?

If I said YES twice that means you aren't allowed...


Leave it to Pels Yaz and Shel (by far 2 of the dumbest fricking people on here) to jump to conclusions.

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My exact quote was that you don't get to choose how to value someone with an elite skillset.

Meaning whatever opinion you have on them outside of that skillset can't neglect the fact that they are elite in something

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Those 2 things do not mean remotely the same thing

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Your response was "we cant have opinions"
A little dramatic.

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You said that.... literally in the exact words. You're calling people out for quoting you word for word.

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Leave it to Pels Yaz and Shel (by far 2 of the dumbest fricking people on here) to jump to conclusions.

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Silly me, thinking what you said was what you meant, I should have known all along you meant something you just showed was entirely different than what you said. How dare I and another poster and another poster all interpret it the same way, unacceptable!

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Now we don’t deserve opinions lol

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Your opinion is solely based on his offensive potential while my opinion is based solely on his current defensive abilities. (Which y'all clearly already do not put on any pedestal).

So logically this isn't going anywhere.

You not "deserving" an opinion is because you haven't been able to comprehend the conversation.

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Everyone deserves an opinion even if you feel its wrong. Its the basis of what our country stands for. If you can’t understand that you shouldn’t be posting on message boards.

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Holy shite.

I'm saying your opinion wouldn't matter because you don't understand the point I'm trying to make. Ironically....

But thank you for explaining to me the freedoms we have as Americans? I'm sorry for intruding on your constitutional rights? What the frick is going on?

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But thank you for explaining to me the freedoms we have as Americans? I'm sorry for intruding on your constitutional rights?

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Its ok as an American I accept your apology.

Trey could do and be a lot of things. In your hypo alls he’s gotta do is get more minutes, more usage AND rediscover and maintain “elite” %. Which means he’s gotta create his own offense, get to the line more etc. You’re asking a lot when he doesn’t even crack 20 ppg on a per 36 model. I don’t know if he deserves the benefit of the doubt coming off a regression year. How about just go out and show it? The hypotheticals are exhausting with this team.

Meanwhile, Herb has actually fulfilled his hypothetical, “what if this elite defender could shoot?” You can also play the hypothetical game with him as well. What if Ingram leaves and he gets increased minutes and further hones his bag

I think that not having a solid P&R game has destroyed our offense and overall abilities the last few years.

A starting true PG would help with that issue and plays in general.

But less thought about is P&R sets and we have been absolutely terrible the last few years.

Baby Deer had some of the WORST p&r attempts I've ever seen for several years. And the refs would kill us with offensive fouls on Val or other players.