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re: Mac trigger warning - His Pels Players Trade Values
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:40 pm to Epic Cajun
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:40 pm to Epic Cajun
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In a vacuum, I think they are not far from each other in terms of value.
They’re not. They’re both deficient on one side of the basketball. And there are teams that would take a young shooter over a young defender it just depends on what a team needs.
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:42 pm to Epic Cajun
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I just don't place a ton of value in perimeter defenders who can't also shoot.
If he was any regular defender then yeah I 100% agree.
If it was Herb last year would you "value" him?
We are getting to the root here. Y'all simply don't value or have confidence in Dyson.
And that's fine, just say that instead of a bunch of bullshite about his offense not being good enough. An elite defender is an elite defender. Any ELITE skillet on ANY NBA team is a benefit and wanted.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:43 pm to Dantheman504
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They 100% will want to hold on to the 21 y/o elite defender because they aren't retarded.....
Dyson has been rumored to be in trades since February’s trade deadline. Its not just my so called opinion.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:44 pm to Townedrunkard
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And you maybe right, and it’ll be just another added to the long lists of total frick ups Griff has made in dealing with this roster and something else for me to bitch about on here.
I can understand that. To me it’ll depend on what we get back in a trade if hes involved in one.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:50 pm to Dantheman504
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If he was any regular defender then yeah I 100% agree.
If it was Herb last year would you "value" him?
If we didn't already have Herb I may value Dyson more. Also, if Dyson shot 33.5% rather than 31.1% I would also see a bit more there in terms of shooting. Look, I hope he develops a shot, but I haven't seen anything from him yet that makes me think that he will.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:52 pm to Epic Cajun
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Look, I hope he develops a shot, but I haven't seen anything from him yet that makes me think that he will.
We also just lost our “magic” shooting coach. Vinson was credited to helping Herb a ton.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:12 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Dyson has been rumored to be in trades since February’s trade deadline. Its not just my so called opinion.
Yes, I too can imagine why other teams/ fans would want to aquire Dyson in a trade and have been including him in talks.
You know those "rumored" trades don't actually mean we want or plan to trade him right?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:17 pm to Dantheman504
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You know those "rumored" trades don't actually mean we want or plan to trade him right?
You know that those rumors could also show they’re willing to include him in trades right?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:21 pm to Epic Cajun
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Look, I hope he develops a shot, but I haven't seen anything from him yet that makes me think that he will.
If he doesn't develop a shot then we have an elite defender on a cheap contract.
Y'all want to talk about how much y'all value offense but in reality Dyson has a higher floor than Trey when considering current future contracts.
If Trey gets paid 30mil and stays inconsistent and Dyson gets paid 10mil to ONLY be an elite defender then well.....
Its no different then an inconsistent BI at 40mil vs a Herb at 15mil.
Because we already have Herb the value/ need for Dyson feels less but that doesn't mean he should be valued less.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:23 pm to Pels_Yaz
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You know that those rumors could also show they’re willing to include him in trades right?
You know the only serious ones include high profile players because we wouldn't trade him otherwise? Because we value him that high....
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:27 pm to Dantheman504
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You know those "rumored" trades don't actually mean we want or plan to trade him right?
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You know the only serious ones include high profile players because we wouldn't trade him otherwise? Because we value him that high....
So they don’t want to trade him but they’re willing to trade him in a “serious” trade. Ok got it.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:30 pm to Pels_Yaz
Great rebuttal, can we get back to the fact that you don't value a 21 y/o elite defender?
I'm not sure what the hell y'all are even going on about. I made my point clear and yall made your bias clear.
I'm not sure what the hell y'all are even going on about. I made my point clear and yall made your bias clear.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:31 pm to shel311
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Trey has way more room for improvement, he's never even had a season yet with starter minutes.
He played the 2nd most minutes on the team in ‘22 and 6th most in ‘23 despite missing 25 games. Average 30.4 per game over those two years. Surely you wouldn’t double down on that silly take
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:32 pm to Dantheman504
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you don't value a 21 y/o elite defender?
Bro nobody here has said they don’t value Dyson. Again you just assume a lot from certain posts. People value him differently and thats ok.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:35 pm to Pels_Yaz
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People value him differently and thats ok
No its not ok lol. You don't get to just willy nilly choose how the frick to value someone with an ELITE skillset.
They have an elite skillset... That means that skillset is on a level many others can't get to even with 10+ years experience, etccc. You don't just get to say "ehh I'll just overlook that and say he's more average".
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:38 pm to Dantheman504
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No its not ok lol. You don't get to just willy nilly choose how the frick to value someone with an ELITE skillset. They have an elite skillset... That means that skillset is on a level many others can't get to even with 10+ years experience, etccc. You don't just get to say "ehh I'll just overlook that and say he's more average".
Lol so everyone should just agree to value Dyson like you do? So basically no opinion shall be tolerated on Dyson unless we agree with you? Good discussion here lol.
You just willy nillied and thought shooting 3s isnt important for an elite defender lol
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:42 pm to Dantheman504
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No its not ok lol. You don't get to just willy nilly choose how the frick to value someone with an ELITE skillset.
People don't get to have opinions
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:46 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Lol so everyone should just agree to value Dyson like you do? So basically no opinion shall be tolerated on Dyson unless we agree with you? Good discussion here lol.
1. No
2. No
All of my points have been broken off into an offense vs defense argument instead of the simple fact that we have a 21 y/o elite defender that should only get better. Y'all continue to overlook that and in the process showed that you also don't have great trust in his progression.
None of that can be argued. I am simply stating and repeating why Dyson is here and the value he DOES have.
Y'all are arguing what you THINK his value is or isn't.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:48 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:While true, Trey's leap is not normal and his efficiency is elite level right now. I just don't think you can expect that type of leap for Hawkins because Trey did it. Trey doing it is more of the outlier.
If you look at their first seasons, they aren't too far off in shooting.
2's: 41.1% vs 41.8%
3's: 36.6% vs 38.2%
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:48 pm to Epic Cajun
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People don't get to have opinions
Neither of y'all deserve an opinion on this, I wish I didn't responded at this point lol.
I'm not even arguing Dyson's future value with y'all anymore because y'all aren't even able to comprehend his current value.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 2:51 pm
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