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re: Lol Hayes is JaVale McGee 2.0
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:18 pm to pleading the fifth
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:18 pm to pleading the fifth
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better comparison would be Nerlens Noel. Raw offensive player with a big defensive upside.
Pretty much the anti-Oakafor. It’s an area of need. Let’s hope he can develop into a Tyson Chandler type player who is a rim protector and can catch some lobs from Lonzo.
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Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:19 pm to Bronc
Just admit you didn't know garland only played 5 games until a second ago. Bad look.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:21 pm to Bronc
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Seriously, make the case for me that if New Orleans didn't luck into Zion, that what New Orleans came into tonight with was the #4 pick, that you would be satisfied with this outcome?
It’s kinda silly to talk about what would’ve happened if we weren’t picking #1. Having Zion changes the calculus quite a bit. Griffin almost certainly would’ve handled it differently.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:21 pm to Bronc
I don't think I'm a message board talent evaluator you made the claim and are sucking Garlands dick im just pointing out he hasn't proven a damned thing. I've made zero comments on who we picked.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:23 pm to RogerTempleton
Hayes is probably not going to look like a great pick next year. The kid has really only played any real basketball for two years. He's really raw, but he's a freak athlete for his height.
He's going to need a year to put on lower-body muscle and learn to play basketball. He especially needs to learn to pass and get normal defensive rebounds. He needs to learn to defend without fouling.
But his ceiling is sky-high. The fact that he shot 74% on FTs means that he could likely eventually be effective from 3.
He's going to need a year to put on lower-body muscle and learn to play basketball. He especially needs to learn to pass and get normal defensive rebounds. He needs to learn to defend without fouling.
But his ceiling is sky-high. The fact that he shot 74% on FTs means that he could likely eventually be effective from 3.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:25 pm to Maximus
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Just admit you didn't know garland only played 5 games until a second ago. Bad look.
I've talked about Garland] since before the lottery.
Now show me where you knew who the frick Hayes was two days ago before you started defending him?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:26 pm to RogerTempleton
Is everybody forgetting that we got off of a terrible contract and are using that money to potentially sign a All-Star caliber player
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:27 pm to 23hella
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It’s kinda silly to talk about what would’ve happened if we weren’t picking #1. Having Zion changes the calculus quite a bit. Griffin almost certainly would’ve handled it differently.
Why?
I'm yet to hear why this is the case? Why the Pels just had to move back for Zion's sake?
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:27 pm to fOrEvErLsU1987
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Is everybody forgetting that we got off of a terrible contract and are using that money to potentially sign a All-Star caliber player
That contract was expiring, it was a positive asset going into the season.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:29 pm to Bronc
I think that's overplayed. We got that space now and we can get the rookies in now and another year to develop.
We just grabbed three top 17 picks and have 31M in cap space. That's an incredible position.
We just grabbed three top 17 picks and have 31M in cap space. That's an incredible position.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:32 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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I think that's overplayed. We got that space now and we can get the rookies in now and another year to develop.
We just grabbed three top 17 picks and have 31M in cap space. That's an incredible position.
This isn't the NFL, quality over quantity every time. Unless you have absolute certainty in the quantity argument its never a wise move.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:36 pm to Bronc
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ESPN's Draft Analytics model loves Jaxson Hayes. It gives Hayes a 9% chance to reach an all-star level and the second-best median projection among players in the 2019 class.
Seth Walder, ESPN Analytics
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:37 pm to Bronc
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Why?
Having the player in the draft with the highest ceiling takes allows the FO to focus on getting guys they think are safer (NAW) or better fits (Hayes) rather than trying to just get the next best player (Garland), especially if you don’t love that player anyway
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:39 pm to Dead End
This is reminding me of the Hilton Armstrong pick sadly.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:40 pm to JabarkusRussell
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This is reminding me of the Hilton Armstrong pick sadly.
no he was old and less athletic
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:43 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Chuma Okeke has the ninth-best median projection in the class and a 32% chance to become at least an all-star player, per ESPN's draft analytics model.
Seth Walder, ESPN Analytics
Not sure what sort of stock I'm supposed to put into that?
I don't hate Jackson, I hate the high opportunity cost.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:48 pm to 23hella
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Having the player in the draft with the highest ceiling takes allows the FO to focus on getting guys they think are safer (NAW) or better fits (Hayes) rather than trying to just get the next best player (Garland), especially if you don’t love that player anyway
We do not know what Zion's game will be. He may be an around the basket PF that never develops a consistent jumper or enough facilitation to not need a full-time classic point guard. Or he might become a legit point center that is best with 4 shooters around him. His defense may or may not develop enough to rim protect or it might become a true strength. Any of those are going to drastically change the type of roster you want around Zion.
Anyone around for the Demps era should know the danger of making assumptions about a player this young, with such a wide variance in potential skill and time schedule.
I'm not saying Jackson is going to bust, but the notion that you drastically change and focus your thinking based on how you project Zion this early is really unwise.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 9:02 pm to Bronc
Comparing Hayes to McGee is pretty dumb.
I mean, McGee was a 51% FT shooter at Nevada. Hayes shot 74%.
Granted, McGee had 40 more attempts or so. But...that's a pretty huge difference. They are nothing alike. Is Hayes raw? Is he a risk? Yeah. But to act like this is a misstep for whatever absurd reason? Nah.
I can dig it. We needed rim protection and outside shooting. We satisfied that, and then some.
I mean, McGee was a 51% FT shooter at Nevada. Hayes shot 74%.
Granted, McGee had 40 more attempts or so. But...that's a pretty huge difference. They are nothing alike. Is Hayes raw? Is he a risk? Yeah. But to act like this is a misstep for whatever absurd reason? Nah.
I can dig it. We needed rim protection and outside shooting. We satisfied that, and then some.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 9:09 pm to Townedrunkard
We got a good 3 point shooter at 17 and a rim protector at 8 and got rid of Solo.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 9:22 pm to Bronc
Or you can shut up and let shite play out instead of crying bro
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