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re: Lance Stephenson signs
Posted on 9/13/16 at 4:37 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 9/13/16 at 4:37 pm to Lester Earl
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we have the worst SF's in the league. I mean i think they can find a way to fit him in.
except he's not a SF
he's a shooting guard, that needs the ball in his hands to be effective
he is literally the antithesis of the offense the pels want to run
i have no idea who is thinking this is a good plan
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Posted on 9/13/16 at 5:00 pm to cgrand
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i have no idea who is thinking this is a good plan
"Good plan" and "Better than what we currently have" are 2 very different things. Just like Tyreke, he's not a good fit, but that doesn't mean he can't be effective. The one thing that was said as much as "hustle/effort/shooter/good defender" about Galloway and Moore is that you don't want them running your offense. Desperate situations...
Posted on 9/13/16 at 5:52 pm to TigerinATL
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Desperate situations...
self inflicted wounds
the fact that the plan is now "roll the dice and hope" is grounds for dismissal of every member of this front office from loomis on down.
remember everyone making fun of fletcher's "hope is not a plan" mantra? guess what...he was right.
lance stephenson is ticking time bomb and even if he doesnt ignite he's not worth the risk
Posted on 9/13/16 at 7:36 pm to cgrand
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self inflicted wounds
That's true. But anyone thinking they were fixing years worth of bad moves in one summer was fooling themselves. Holes are too deep.
We can't ask for patient moves then be upset when obvious flaws pop up
Posted on 9/13/16 at 10:03 pm to cgrand
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except he's not a SF he's a shooting guard, that needs the ball in his hands to be effective he is literally the antithesis of the offense the pels want to run i have no idea who is thinking this is a good plan
The guy is on a non guaranteed minimum contract, he's a warm body with upside at this point
And he's played SF predominantly the past two seasons. he's versatile and can defend. He's a willing passing and can create shots for the perimeter shooters, something we lack, especially with Holiday out. And by all accounts he's been a good teammate .
He's flawed, sure. But there is no risk bringing him on a team like this, especially on guaranteed
Posted on 9/14/16 at 8:11 am to cgrand
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except he's not a SF
you tell me what position he is playing in these lineups
B. Griffin | D. Jordan | C. Paul | J. Redick | L. Stephenson
G. Henderson | A. Jefferson | L. Stephenson | K. Walker | C. Zeller
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:05 am to Lester Earl
He's like Tyreke in many ways. You can play him at SF on defense, but on offense he needs the ball to be effective.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:10 am to TigerinATL
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You can play him at SF on defense, but on offense he needs the ball to be effective.
correct
and to the others points...
probably no team in the league has struggled more than the pels to find competent NBA wings and reliable playmaking than the grizzlies. he played big minutes for them last year out of sheer necessity, and they didnt even consider bringing him back. not even at the minimum
i'm not optimistic in the least
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:24 am to cgrand
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they didnt even consider bringing him back.
It's not like he's a potential long term piece. The hope is he can be effective enough for a few months that we only lose 65% of the games until Jrue comes back instead of 75%. If you sign him by cutting Gee instead of getting a temporary roster exception, you have his rights for the year and maybe he plays well enough to have trade value at the deadline. Certainly more trade value than an end of bench Gee would have.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:27 am to TigerinATL
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He's like Tyreke in many ways. You can play him at SF on defense, but on offense he needs the ball to be effective.
right. So can play SF.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:33 am to cgrand
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probably no team in the league has struggled more than the pels to find competent NBA wings and reliable playmaking than the grizzlies. he played big minutes for them last year out of sheer necessity, and they didnt even consider bringing him back. not even at the minimum
they declined a $9m team option & signed Parsons & James Ennis instead. He played great for them and anyone around the team(beat writers, bloggers, coaches) would tell you that.
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 9:35 am
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:35 am to Lester Earl
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right. So can play SF.
Right, the potential 2nd unit I listed him in earlier had him at SF even though I would see him as likely running the offense.
Galloway/QPon/Stephenson
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:35 am to TigerinATL
Why are people bitching about this signing? The Pels have nobody that can create their own shot. LS can do that. He can pass and defend. He is versatile. He's on a non-guaranteed contract.
What am I missing here? We aren't sniffing .500 ball without Jrue, so what is the big deal?
What am I missing here? We aren't sniffing .500 ball without Jrue, so what is the big deal?
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:39 am to THRILLHO
Pels officially announced LS signing this morning 
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:44 am to THRILLHO
If Mickey Loomis is involved (of coarse he is), I'm sure it's a guaranteed contract and he won't make the team.
Seems like Loomis' objective is to just have as much dead money in every organizations as possible...
Seems like Loomis' objective is to just have as much dead money in every organizations as possible...
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:50 am to Solo
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Why are people bitching about this signing?
Loomising. The same thing is happening on the Saints board right now with CJ Spiller and dead money having everyone focusing on the crappy past moves that got us here instead of discussing the moves they're making moving forward. There's just so much pent up angst over the mismanagement of both rosters it's hard to keep discussion focused on what it should be:
Not Why did we sign Lance Stephenson, but can he be the difference between an 8-12 start and a 5-15 start, and if so what is the best way to get him on the roster, Trade/Cut/Exception?
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:00 pm to Lester Earl
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right. So can play SF.
prior to signing the deal with CHA he played SG exclusively. he played 2/3 minutes at CHA at SF and was a dumpster fire. he played about 70% at SF with LAC and MEM, 700 minutes total each team
LAC burned a 1st to get rid of him.
MEM had no other healthy bodies at wing by the time he got there, and were always going to decline his 9MM option.
an entire FA period passed, with marginal players getting starter money, nobody picked him up. his numbers were decent at MEM but again, they could have brought him back and did not. the man is 24 years old and good wings are at a critical shortage league-wide.
he is a poor fit in my opinion for most teams due to recklessness dominance with the ball, and he's likely at least slightly unhinged. if this is 2013/14 lance then fine, great pick up at a low risk. i'd rather they'd figured out a way to keep ennis instead
these are the type of hope and a prayer signings that indicate to me this FO is in "fingers crossed" mode exclusively, and that sucks as a fan
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:51 pm to cgrand
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i'd rather they'd figured out a way to keep ennis instead
Even if they had he doesn't solve the role shortage we have on this team of shot creator. Ennis was a 3 and D guy like everyone else we signed.
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due to recklessness dominance with the ball
Kind of what they're banking on I think.
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these are the type of hope and a prayer signings that indicate to me this FO is in "fingers crossed" mode exclusively
For sure, but what's the alternative, sign Brandon Jennings instead of Galloway and Frazier? Even if he fit Gentry's offense, which I'm not sure is true based on his reputation, you're still in the same situation of having just one offense initiator to start the season. Like corndeaux said, the hole they dug was deep enough that you weren't going to patch it up in one offseason.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:55 pm to cgrand
All that reminds me of a guy like Hassan Whiteside
Stephenson is essentially a lotto ticket. No risk, all reward.
If he's a turd, see ya. It's that easy
Stephenson is essentially a lotto ticket. No risk, all reward.
If he's a turd, see ya. It's that easy
Posted on 9/14/16 at 2:22 pm to GynoSandberg
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Stephenson is essentially a lotto ticket. No risk, all reward.
i cant agree there's no risk, but yes he is a lottery ticket. my issue is that this organization's team building strategy seems to be all lottery-ticket...
and a lottery ticket is a demonstrably poor wealth-building strategy with minuscule odds for success. i'm just frustrated that a team THAT HAS ALREADY CASHED A WINNING TICKET is in this position, 4 years later. it's incompetence at best
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