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re: Kobe > Anthony Davis?

Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by Domingo Ayala
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:48 pm to
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Davis won't have the luxury of playing a soft schedule for the next 20 games.


correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't their SOS been 7th so far......
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Fearthehat0307
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't there SOS been 7th so far......


you are correct sir
Posted by Boomshockalocka
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:52 pm to
ok now post there SOS for the next 20.
Posted by Fearthehat0307
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

ok now post there SOS for the next 20.
why not the rest of the season
Posted by Domingo Ayala
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Not to mention the schedule is about to toughen up Davis won't have the luxury of playing a soft schedule for the next 20 games.


I was merely implying that Davis has maintained a PER above 30 during the first 20 games of the season with the 7th ranked hardest schedule.

So you saying Davis won't have the luxury of a soft schedule for the next 20 games is irrelevant. Maybe the next 20 games SOS is even stronger than 7th, but I'm sure the drop off between 7th and anything higher wouldn't be that huge of a difference.
Posted by whoknows1390
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:14 pm to
Seriously, I don't know why ya'll waste your time putting together rational arguments with some of these dudes. just a waste of time.
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

quote:
ok now post there SOS for the next 20.
why not the rest of the season


In the West, which is all that really matters the Pels have the 11th most difficult strength of schedule, for the remainder of the season.

ETA: they have the 5th toughest SOS in the West so far. It should get easier.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted by Fearthehat0307
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:24 pm to
just calculated the rest of the schedule opponents win percentage which it appears that's what they are using on that site.

it is currently at .525 using our schedule so far.

the rest of the season comes out to .5268

so the rest of the season almost identical as of now.
Posted by Fearthehat0307
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:25 pm to
if someone wants to calculate the RPI they can have fun
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

it is currently at .525 using our schedule so far.

the rest of the season comes out to .5268

so the rest of the season almost identical as of now.

bro that .002 was the difference between 4th and 14th last season.

Posted by Fearthehat0307
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

bro that .002 was the difference between 4th and 14th last season.
what does that have to do with Anthony Davis' PER rating? the teams records are nearly identical so the strength of teams he will be playing against is nearly identical to what he has played so far based on current records.

RPI would be a better indicator but i ain't calculating that shite
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 3:32 pm
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:32 pm to
You somewhat have a point but this early in the season the teams who have played Philly will have much lower SOS than teams that haven't.

For example SAS and HOU have both played PHI twice. Both HOU and SAS will dispose of teams like Milwaukee who is .500 just as easily if not more than they will beat Philly. So with such a limited sample size SOS isn't really accurate this early in the season AND with outliers like Philly in there who are 2-20 or whatever.


What group of records would be harder to go 2-0 against:

Should be the lower SOS right?


Vs Philly 2-19
Vs Clippers 16-5

18-24 - 43%

Vs Miami 10-12
Vs Denver 10-12

20-24 46%

In this case the Higher SOS isn't the more difficult schedule.


This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 3:43 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36237 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

just calculated the rest of the schedule opponents win percentage which it appears that's what they are using on that site.

it is currently at .525 using our schedule so far.

the rest of the season comes out to .5268

so the rest of the season almost identical as of now.


I guess it will really just bring most other western conference teams down, rather than bring the Pels up. It should bring them to an attainable goal (not that the Pels will make the playoffs, but there will be a smaller gap to overcome).

Examples:

Mavs .44 vs .55
Suns .45 vs .55
Rockets .47 vs .54

These stats are as of December 5th
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Fearthehat0307
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2007
65256 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:00 pm to
is there a place to find PER by game? looking at AD's performances he has been as good if not better against some of the tougher teams we have played.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36237 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:02 pm to
I've tried to find this before, but haven't had any luck. I'll look again.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59874 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:18 pm to
Sure, basketball reference has a "game score" if you view game logs. It was created by Hollinger to rate single game performance as opposed to PER which rates players on a per minute basis.
Posted by Fearthehat0307
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2007
65256 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:18 pm to
quote:

Sure, basketball reference has a "game score" if you view game logs. It was created by Hollinger to rate single game performance as opposed to PER which rates players on a per minute basis.
can you link it?
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by Fearthehat0307
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2007
65256 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:42 pm to
using the game score stat posted.

average against current top 8 seeds - 24.48

average against current lotto teams - 22.85

so using your stat AD is doing better against tougher teams. doesn't really support the claim he will regress when playing harder schedule. i'm not saying he will finish with a PER at or higher than he currently has, just showing that your reasoning was bad
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31854 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:42 pm to
That portland game though...

154 ortg
102 drtg

Tyreke fricks it all up...
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