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re: Jrue Holiday is finished in New Orleans
Posted on 2/2/20 at 4:40 pm to LilWezyAna
Posted on 2/2/20 at 4:40 pm to LilWezyAna
We are not winning anything with Jrue as our secondary scorer, I would argue not even our third unless your 1 and 2 are top 15 players.
I think the Jrue/AD era and this season should make that abundantly clear. He is an elite defender but his offense is not reliable enough to lean on as anything but a third or fourth option.
I think the Jrue/AD era and this season should make that abundantly clear. He is an elite defender but his offense is not reliable enough to lean on as anything but a third or fourth option.
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Posted on 2/2/20 at 4:46 pm to Bronc
He is going to die on that Jrue Holiday hill.
Posted on 2/2/20 at 4:52 pm to ElRoos
quote:Also, Beal can't be traded until the offseason.
Who could we realistically get? The only name I can think of is Beal, but there's no way we can afford that going forward, right?
Posted on 2/2/20 at 4:58 pm to Bronc
quote:The team that won it all just last season did so with Kyle Lowry as the 3rd option as a scorer, averaging 14 a game, but Jrue can't even be a 3rd option?
We are not winning anything with Jrue as our secondary scorer, I would argue not even our third unless your 1 and 2 are top 15 players.
If BI and Zion are giving us nearly 50 a game, Jrue can easily be the 3rd option on a good team.
Posted on 2/2/20 at 5:01 pm to shel311
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The team that won it all just last season did so with Kyle Lowry as the 3rd option as a scorer, averaging 14 a game, but Jrue can't even be a 3rd option?
If BI and Zion are giving us nearly 50 a game, Jrue can easily be the 3rd option on a good team
That team had historically great depth and role players, with a lot of luck in terms of GS injuries, so in that context sure, he could make an exception. But Lowry is also far less hot and cold and Kawhi was a top 1 player in the league. Even in the best case scenario Jrue is likely to be closer to mid thirties than his current age before that level of play is attained by either Zion or Bi.
This post was edited on 2/2/20 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 2/2/20 at 5:03 pm to Elleshoe
As I said in another thread, Griff isn’t onboard with moving Jrue. So it’s not this board you have to convince.
Posted on 2/2/20 at 5:17 pm to ElRoos
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Yeah, I've had enough of seeing him and Zo on the court together. They cannot coexist
How do you think Ingram and Zion have co-existed so far? I would say that they may actually have slightly worse chemistry. I don’t get how this board can constantly poo on Jrue and not BI when he plays objectively better defence and doesn’t rely on mid range jump shots.
Posted on 2/2/20 at 5:21 pm to Elleshoe
Get what you can get for him and it's time to part ways with garage gentry. Start fresh this team ain't making the playoffs. Plan for future
Posted on 2/2/20 at 5:25 pm to Bronc
Lowry is known for being hot and cold
Posted on 2/2/20 at 5:26 pm to Elleshoe
I have crazy high hopes that Lonzo and Didi Silva are the future backcourt. I think they’d be hell to deal with!
Posted on 2/2/20 at 6:07 pm to VOR
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As I said in another thread, Griff isn’t onboard with moving Jrue. So it’s not this board you have to convince.
You have zero way of knowing that.
Posted on 2/2/20 at 6:13 pm to BayouFann
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Didi Silva
Im all for the high hopes but the vast minority of draft picks (especially 2nd rounders) end up being as good or better than Jrue Holiday
Posted on 2/2/20 at 6:15 pm to LilWezyAna
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Lowry is known for being hot and cold
Again, give Jrue Lowry’s spot on that Raptors team with all the GS injuries and you have your exception, the fact you and the other poster are having to reach for that to make your case is simply making my own.
Posted on 2/2/20 at 6:21 pm to Bronc
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the fact you and the other poster are having to reach for that to make your case is simply making my own
Well no I was just saying that the point about Lowry not being hot and cold and Jrue being hot and cold was dead wrong, nothing more than that clarification
Posted on 2/2/20 at 6:30 pm to LilWezyAna
I’d disagree based on recent output that Lowry is equally hot and cold offensively but the larger point doesn’t really change here.
It only worked with Lowry as the third option because of the perfect storm of events and surrounding cast, and I don’t personally think that is in the cards for the Pels on our current time schedule.
I like Jrue, I just think if we have higher aspirations with this young core Jrue needs to bad cashed in if the opportunity is there this offseason.
It only worked with Lowry as the third option because of the perfect storm of events and surrounding cast, and I don’t personally think that is in the cards for the Pels on our current time schedule.
I like Jrue, I just think if we have higher aspirations with this young core Jrue needs to bad cashed in if the opportunity is there this offseason.
Posted on 2/2/20 at 6:33 pm to Bronc
I agree with most of that. I love Jrue and am not ready to move on with him, so I'm more biased than others. But i do think him as a 3rd option is just fine for a good team. He's consistently an efficient driving scorer, his 3 ball and midrange are somewhat inconsistent, but those arent his strengths. He is always up there in percentage for guard's finishing around the rim. That's like saying Ben Simmons cant be a third option because he doesnt shoot, but we're talking about Jrue who is a great driver, passer, and can shoot at least average level
Posted on 2/2/20 at 6:43 pm to LilWezyAna
The thing is, you don't pay a 3rd option on the team 25M+ salary...
Posted on 2/2/20 at 6:44 pm to ElRoos
quote:Holy sample size!
Yeah, I've had enough of seeing him and Zo on the court together. They cannot coexist.
Posted on 2/2/20 at 6:47 pm to Bronc
quote:In all honesty, using the GS injuries is disingenuous imo and I'd argue that's you reaching.
Again, give Jrue Lowry’s spot on that Raptors team with all the GS injuries and you have your exception, the fact you and the other poster are having to reach for that to make your case is simply making my own.
Sure, it is correct. But that was a once in a lifetime team, a team we won't see again. Point being, Toronto was good enough to win a title in any "normal" year with Lowry as their 3rd best player. Jrue is better than Lowry, so...
Posted on 2/2/20 at 6:51 pm to Bronc
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I’d disagree based on recent output that Lowry is equally hot and cold offensively but the larger point doesn’t really change here.
Check his FG% splits by month during the title season. He absolutely was wayyy more hot and cold than holiday this season.
quote:Toronto WA good enough to win a title in any season in which they weren't facing an all time great team, so the perfect storm angle doesn't really fit here.
It only worked with Lowry as the third option because of the perfect storm of events and surrounding cast,
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