re: How does Hawkins early development affect Dyson minutes when everyone is healthy?

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Dyson was great against SGA but again when healthy this team has more playable defensive wings than shooters.

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We only have one other wing defender that's as good and switchable as Dyson. Dyson can shut down a quick PG even held his own and forced a miss on a post-up by Holmgren last night. You're really understating how good he is on defense. I'd take another Bruce Bowen type if we're trying to get stops in the playoffs.

I would love for Dyson to be Bruce Brown. Hes also in his sixth year on his fourth team. Again I think Dyson in time will be good player just not sure it’ll be with the pelicans.

I don’t think Hawkins play affects Dyson’s minutes that much because they play different positions. Dyson is playing 64% of his minutes at the point. If Jose is effective when he comes back and/or we start to actually use Point Zion, then Dyson’s minutes may start to dwindle.

Also, I know Dyson’s offensive numbers have been abysmal, but he still leads the team in stocks/per 100, is third in DRtg, doesn’t foul that often despite drawing tough matchups, doesn’t turn the ball over, and does all this being 20 years old. He’s still the youngest player on the team by almost a full year and younger than a lot of the top picks in last years draft.

Considering that we are asking him to play backup point and guard guys like SGA in crunch time, I’d say he’s doing a pretty good job. We obviously need him to start shooting better, but if he can get you into your sets and protect the ball, he can bring value to the offense beyond just scoring.

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The spurs were the fifth team he was on after he entered the league and became a decent impact rotational player in the playoffs.

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If your point is we can pick up a journeyman version of Dyson cheaper, I strongly disagree and I submit most of the Demps era where he tried to find a 3 & D wing almost every year outside of the short lived Ariza era as exhibit A.

Dyson isn't just your average 3&D Wing. He's showing All NBA level defense and 1-5 switchability at age 20. Herb being Herb as a 24 year old rookie was surprising enough. Dyson being Dyson at 19-20 makes him a defensive prodigy that is only going to get better.

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What I don't get about the people dismissing Dyson is the idea that he needs to be Good or better on offense. He needs to hit open 3s about mid 30%, and develop his floater so when he goes to the lane he has a move besides passing.

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I think the Pels have a much higher opinion on Dyson than most folks around here. VERY solid "floor", based on his defense & they expect his offense to eventually come around to being somewhere close to "average". Much higher ceiling than the limited overall game of Hawkins.

Sit tight...& check back in a year or so...Dyson will be a MUCH improved player. We're all gonna really like this guy...eventually.

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do we need to find minutes for a guy to eventually become josh hart?

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Find minutes?

Naji Marshall averaged 23 minutes last year in 77 games. Josh Richardson averaged another 23 after coming to the Pelicans. Kira Lewis is averaging over 10 minutes per game this year.

Adding in CJ's age, Trey's injury, Jose's uncertain recovery, and the history of Ingram, Zion, and Nance, the last thing the Pelicans will need to do is find minutes for Dyson.

I mean I get what you’re saying with 3&D wing. But you actually have to hit the 3 consistently to become a 3&D wing. As far being a defensive prodigy- I think his defense is solid to good but its not Herb elite- it may get there, may not who knows. And not every player because they’re young gets better with age especially with Pels- Kira, Jaxson and Naw.

That being said I think Dyson is a solid player in this league, I just think when our team is fully healthy and he continues to have offensive limitations I can easily see Hawkins eating into his minutes.

I mean has Hawkins not shown you that in the last couple of games? If anything the last couple of games has shown me how well rounded he is and shown me has potential to be more than just a shooter. I think Trey is definitely more than a shooter especially the way he attacks the rim and gets blocks.

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I love Dyson’s D but he suffers from Lonzo syndrome and hates attacking the basket and finishing at the rim.

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Interesting, because I see it different. He's been significantly more active offensively this year (albeit through four games) and has made several strong moves to the basket. Undoubtedly the perimeter shooting and foul shooting have been abysmal, which clearly is a problem. But I have seen definite growth in his offensive game this year over last year. Lets at least wait 20 or 25 games before writing him off completely offensively.