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re: How are BI and Zion so injury prone?
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:59 am to The_Duke
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:59 am to The_Duke
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BI—idk. The way he plays—so slow and methodical—should lend itself to not being hurt as often. But he’s been hurt a lot throughout his career even before he got to the Pels.
This one and the concussion were kind of freak injuries in the sense that they could happen to anyone in a game. Didn't BI have some clotting issues while he was with the Lakers? His body may just be more prone to injuries with slower recovery time.
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:03 am to lionward2014
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This one and the concussion were kind of freak injuries in the sense that they could happen to anyone in a game. Didn't BI have some clotting issues while he was with the Lakers? His body may just be more prone to injuries with slower recovery time.
Yes, plus achilles and hamstring issues last year.
I think at this point, until proven otherwise, this team needs to operate on the history they have, and that history states BI/Zion can not be expected to play more than 60 games a season, and we need to build for that accordingly.
Meaning we need to maintain great depth and good backups for both. We simply cant catch ourselves in a Demps situation where we have a bunch of guys on the roster not capable of filling bigger roles, or needing to go to the dumpster heap to find bodies.
Which may mean the sexy big trade needs to be reigned in and those assets simply used to keep the roster deep enough to support a team centered around two fairly injury prone players. Hoping you can manage them well enough that they can be healthy going into the post season. Using that depth to get you there.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:14 am to TigerinATL
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Pels are only middle of the pack when it comes to losing key players to injury
Good info, but just at a glance the graphic seems to put the Pels closer to top quarter in games lost and one of the top 3-4 in wins despite the missing players. IMO that feels about right and makes some sense due to the Pels overall depth.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:15 am to Bronc
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Which may mean the sexy big trade needs to be reigned in
Think you're probably right, even though the Pels have assets to go after a big fish via trade. With this in mind do you think they lean into a developmental mode for their franchise, meaning draft and develop in-house to replace depth? Pels don't seem to have had good fortune with free-agency.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:18 am to Bronc
Not Pels specific, but I found this article from a few years ago that's pretty interesting on injuries and why there seem to be more now.
LINK
To summarize, specialization and year round play, and AAU is a big culprit. Kids are playing way more games and putting way more stress on their bodies before they get to the NBA than players in previous generations.
I loathe AAU so I would be thrilled for it to go away, but that's unlikely.
Another major culprit is simply that the size and strength of today's players is too great for their ligaments, bones and soft tissues.
I mean, honestly, that makes the most sense. Humans are not built to be 280 LBs and jump four feet into the air.
There was a quote in that article that said something like players can out jump their ability to land. Sound like someone we know?
That is probably one of the reasons we don't see as many crazy dunks from Zion - I'm sure Nelson and crew have preached that to him.
Regardless of those factors, it's still crazy to me that with today's medical tech we still miss more games than the old guys. Go look at Kareem's games played. shite is unreal.
Then you think of guys like Bernard King, Stoudemire, Penny Hardaway, Bird, etc. If they had today's medical procedures like modern ACL repair, none of that stupid micro fracture shite, ways to heal back spasms, etc. could they have extended their careers?
I think load management is just putting a bandaid on a gaping wound.
LINK
To summarize, specialization and year round play, and AAU is a big culprit. Kids are playing way more games and putting way more stress on their bodies before they get to the NBA than players in previous generations.
I loathe AAU so I would be thrilled for it to go away, but that's unlikely.
Another major culprit is simply that the size and strength of today's players is too great for their ligaments, bones and soft tissues.
I mean, honestly, that makes the most sense. Humans are not built to be 280 LBs and jump four feet into the air.
There was a quote in that article that said something like players can out jump their ability to land. Sound like someone we know?
That is probably one of the reasons we don't see as many crazy dunks from Zion - I'm sure Nelson and crew have preached that to him.
Regardless of those factors, it's still crazy to me that with today's medical tech we still miss more games than the old guys. Go look at Kareem's games played. shite is unreal.
Then you think of guys like Bernard King, Stoudemire, Penny Hardaway, Bird, etc. If they had today's medical procedures like modern ACL repair, none of that stupid micro fracture shite, ways to heal back spasms, etc. could they have extended their careers?
I think load management is just putting a bandaid on a gaping wound.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:20 am to Pistol44
I mean I think we have enough assets at the moment we can still go out and get some guys we want to upgrade certain roles, but I think the idea of emptying the warchest and a bunch of young players for another top 10 player as CJ ages may be problematic. Even just dumping a few firsts for a top 50 player that will realistically only be here a few seasons at most.
Of course ideal situation we get Wemby or Scoot and just have the Lakers get us a future all star thru the draft, but absent that, yeah, I think being a developmental pipeline is the way to go. Supplementing that with smaller trade moves when needed, but maintaining a pipeline of assets. Including trading guys that may be fan favorites but are necessary to make room and have future assets to develop.
Of course ideal situation we get Wemby or Scoot and just have the Lakers get us a future all star thru the draft, but absent that, yeah, I think being a developmental pipeline is the way to go. Supplementing that with smaller trade moves when needed, but maintaining a pipeline of assets. Including trading guys that may be fan favorites but are necessary to make room and have future assets to develop.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:42 am to baytiger11
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account for caliber of player? Because it seems to only be our best players getting hurt and missing time.
memphis icon is mashed on Milwaukee.
these memphis starters were out a lot of games.
jj jr. santi aldama started 18 games in his place. got points and boards. not the defense.
bane. they went 1-6 right after he went down. eventually pulled it together without him.
brooks. they tried rookie roddy and konchar.
bench
ziaire williams.
expected to contribute but hasnt played but a couple games. knee issue. this looks terrible. he played summer league as pg and then worked
on game with aldama in spain. not able to play more than 2 games since.
clarke is out again.
they are in first place.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 9:46 am
Posted on 1/5/23 at 10:07 am to TigerinATL
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As hard as it may be for some to believe, the Pels are only middle of the pack when it comes to losing key players to injury. Spotrac tracks "Cash Earned While Injured" which has it's flaws, but the Pels are 13th in this category.
And with all of this being said we're .5 games out of 1st. It's quite remarkable and states just how deep this team is. We scored 45 points last night in the 1st Q without 3 of our starters.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:46 pm to yaboidarrell
The problem with Z is his style of play. He takes very little jumpers and gets murdered in the paint for every bucket he gets. But you don’t want to change the way he plays because he’s pretty much the most dominant player ever. But it’s hard to stay healthy when your game is twice as hard on your body than everyone else on the court
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:53 pm to BadaBingBadaBoom
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We scored 45 points last night in the 1st Q without 3 of our starters
Yes, but against the rockets
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 2:55 pm
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