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re: Haliburton goes down screaming in pain
Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:36 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:36 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:Or, you have a hint that there is an issue when he has a calf strain that required an MRI. Just maybe you use half a brain and wait as calf strains have led to achilles injuries many times.
We should always wait to trade a pick because the teams star player may pop his Achilles.
Wait wait wait he could also do it during the offseason during a pickup game so so don't do it then either.
In fact never trade any pick ever.
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:38 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:Even if every other player stays healthy to allow that, can you not see that the uncertainty of where that pick will fall (extremely unlikely to be worse than 23) is more valuable that trading it for a late first without even knowing what player will be available?
The Pacers pick isn't going to end up in the lottery. Even with Halliburton healthy he wasn't the best player on the team for a lot of this series, and they have a great head coach.
They'll be a 6 or 7 seed next year in a weak east conference. It's not as big of a deal as some of yall are making it out to be.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:39 am to whatiknowsofar
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Because there's not a historically big difference between the 15th and 23rd pick hitting.
Are you freaking kidding me? Are you serious? Wow!Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:41 am to Dantheman504
quote:Sure, there could be. There could not be. That is why you wait to get a feel for who may be available before committing to the pick. How often does a team trade a future lightly protected first for a late 1st over a week before the draft (without a salary attached)?
2. There could be a player that we'd draft at #15 that falls to us at #23 which would make this argument irrelevant.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:44 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:What's stupid is trying to skew an argument by assuming that a lower pick is just as valuable as a much higher pick simply because some picks do not pan out. It is obvious that a team would prefer to have a choice of a player rather than it being dictated to them that they do not have a choice of 8-10 players they may have liked. Drafts as a whole are relative crap shoots.
What's stupid is ignoring data.
Specifically pick 15 or pick 25. Not just "ten picks higher" there is plenty of data that shows the NBA draft is pretty much a crap shoot outside of the top 5 picks.
Of course 1 is better than 10, 2 is better than 12th.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 8:27 am to NOSHAU
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What's stupid is trying to skew an argument by assuming that a lower pick is just as valuable as a much higher pick simply because some picks do not pan out.
That was not my argument at all. I am specifically talking about pick 15 vs pick 25 and the success rate. You say that I'm skewing it yet,
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Drafts as a whole are relative crap shoots.
None moreso than the NBA draft
Posted on 6/24/25 at 11:29 am to NOSHAU
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Sure, there could be. There could not be. That is why you wait to get a feel for who may be available before committing to the pick.
I couldn't give a shite if we traded 26' Pacers for #28. If the player we get ends up better than Jose, Hawk, etcc then its a success. I'm not going to freak out about it because we simply don't know. So I choose to see what happens instead of acting like its the end of the world for absolutely no reason.
Pick #30 this year could be better than pick #7 next year. You just don't know so lets not panic until after we actually have a player name and stats for this season.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:28 pm to whatiknowsofar
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That was not my argument at all. I am specifically talking about pick 15 vs pick 25 and the success rate. You say that I'm skewing it yet
You acting like it’s not a big deal is a stupid argument. We unloaded a bad contract in Adams and upgraded to JV by moving down a few years ago.
Very good chance we lost a lot of value either in a trade or having our pick of players by a stupid completely unnecessary move.
This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:03 pm to Townedrunkard
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You acting like it’s not a big deal is a stupid argument
No it's not you just dont know how to read data.
If you dont agree with math thats on you. Its a fricking crapshoot between 15 and 25.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:15 pm to whatiknowsofar
the biggest issue is the value of the 2026 pick increased dramatically post Hali injury. you can't defend them making that move before the finals is over. the deal would have been there still on Monday. we can all say they'll still be good next year and it doesn't matter. the pick gained significant value in the league no matter what we try and tell ourselves.
now all it takes is one pascal injury for that team to be a lottery team.
now all it takes is one pascal injury for that team to be a lottery team.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:31 pm to Macintosh
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the biggest issue is the value of the 2026 pick increased dramatically post Hali injury
I dont think it increased nearly as much as this board is making it out to be, and certainly not dramatically. The team and HC are too good.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 2:27 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:compared to 23 it is. Yes. You can get more than what we got. Always about getting the highest value for something and all we had to do was wait a week.
dont think it increased nearly as much as this board is making it out to be, and certainly not dramatically. The team and HC are too good.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 4:38 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I dont think it increased nearly as much as this board is making it out to be, and certainly not dramatically. The team and HC are too good.
Team just lost its best player and you don’t think it won’t make much of a difference lol?
And like other posters said, it’s big loss in value now for absolutely no reason. You dont know the future, who knows where the pick ends up, but I’d lay money it will be better than 23.
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