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Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:54 pm to touchdownjeebus
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My point is that Burke addresses the 1 while still giving us the ability to address the 3 spot later this year or next year. Adding Jrue limits our flexibility.
I'll say this....You never know if you addressed a position of need in the draft until the man steps on the court. (Minus Lebron, etc.)
We addressed the 1 with Jrue. There is no doubt about that.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:56 pm to OBUDan
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Pels are terrible defensively too. Noel shores that up immediately.
The guy is a center that is narrow, skinny and coming off of a knee injury. He weighs less than many guards. To say he's anywhere near a defensive presence is very premature. We now have 2 present/future all stars in Jrue and Davis. This was a no Brainer
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:56 pm to landrywasbeast30
Very good point made.
Jrue is a proven commodity and I will be screaming my lungs out for him to succeed. I just wonder what mclemore, Burke, or CJ and cap space could have turned into.
Is jrue better than an expiring Marion, Shabazz, and Burke? Throw in next years one and cap space for the 14 FA class.
Jrue is a proven commodity and I will be screaming my lungs out for him to succeed. I just wonder what mclemore, Burke, or CJ and cap space could have turned into.
Is jrue better than an expiring Marion, Shabazz, and Burke? Throw in next years one and cap space for the 14 FA class.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:56 pm to touchdownjeebus
So this thread is where people think trading a overrated prospect for a 23 yr old all star pg is a bad move?
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:57 pm to simbo
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You had a future allstar in Mclemore fall in your lap
Mclemore future all star? The same guy who couldn't even bother to get in shape for workouts, had to be begged by his college coach to take more shots, and still didn't, and who is known to disappear in games? Oh, and has a shady past and shady people around him? Isn't a proven all star who is only 23 years old better than a guy with huge red flags?
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:59 pm to macatak911
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I'll say this....You never know if you addressed a position of need in the draft until the man steps on the court. (Minus Lebron, etc.) We addressed the 1 with Jrue. There is no doubt about that.
See this is a reasoned argument. Yes this is true.
But the 2014 hurts but I would have liked the 11 pick. The 6, no 11 and the 2014 lotto pick is just as risky to me as not picking Mclemore and keeping my 2014.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:59 pm to tubucoco
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Holiday will make them better, but a lot of it depends on AD's jump to the next level. He needs to get strong, add that weight and carry them to wins in close games they lost last season. They can go to the playoffs in a sevnth or eight seed.
Weren't we counting on AD to do that anyway?
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:59 pm to lsuguy13
After looking at our draft history in the paper today,I'm beginning to think this sure fire all star acquisition has a better chance of helping us than drafting another Hilton JuJu Simmons. Go Dell Go Dell 
This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 9:00 pm to simbo
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This guy gets it. You had a future allstar in Mclemore fall in your lap and you trade that and a lotto pick in a good 2014 draft for a good PG.
People say this like it's written in stone these college guys will be top NBA talents.
frick the 2013 NBA All Star, give me the guy who might be an All Star some day down the line.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 9:00 pm to OBUDan
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In 3-4 years you'll have the same pieces and only Davis will be majorly improved
But isn't the future success of this team pretty much entirely based on how good Davis becomes anyway? That has nothing to do with the Noel/Holiday argument.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 9:01 pm to BarbaricPelican
you're missing my whole point. 
oh, why the frick do I bother.
oh, why the frick do I bother. This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 9:01 pm to landrywasbeast30
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But isn't the future success of this team pretty much entirely based on how good Davis becomes anyway? That has nothing to do with the Noel/Holiday argument.
I think you need more than one good player
Posted on 6/27/13 at 9:01 pm to TigerPhan27
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So this thread is where people think trading a overrated prospect for a 23 yr old all star pg is a bad move?
Yep
Posted on 6/27/13 at 9:02 pm to EarthwormJim
Burke gets a lot of hype, but he is an undersized PG who will have trouble playing D. Holiday can play great D.
Also, what if we finish with the 12-15th pick next year. Do we really think that pick is worth being average next year to get a guy who will be unproven and not an elite player.
We have an elite PG, a healthy Gordon, and Vasquez off the bench to play either 1 or 2. We also have Anderson, Davis, & Lopez.
If we can get a SF who can hit a jump shot, we are playoff material.
Also, what if we finish with the 12-15th pick next year. Do we really think that pick is worth being average next year to get a guy who will be unproven and not an elite player.
We have an elite PG, a healthy Gordon, and Vasquez off the bench to play either 1 or 2. We also have Anderson, Davis, & Lopez.
If we can get a SF who can hit a jump shot, we are playoff material.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 9:03 pm to BarbaricPelican
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Weren't we counting on AD to do that anyway?
Exact thing I just said to someone else lmao. This shouldn't even be brought up because it would be the case whether they have Noel or Holiday.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 9:03 pm to BilJ
No, Noel, Burke, McLemore would probably all be better long term pieces IMO.
All anyone can say about Jrue is "he's an all star!!!!" So I don't think many know that much, just see that.
He can't shoot. He's inefficient. He's turnover prone.
He's better than Brandon Jennings, but he's still basically a chucker that plays defense. A solid player but not worth what we paid.
I think people are exaggerating the chasing potential/unproven thing, too.
All anyone can say about Jrue is "he's an all star!!!!" So I don't think many know that much, just see that.
He can't shoot. He's inefficient. He's turnover prone.
He's better than Brandon Jennings, but he's still basically a chucker that plays defense. A solid player but not worth what we paid.
I think people are exaggerating the chasing potential/unproven thing, too.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 9:04 pm to tehchampion140
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frick the 2013 NBA All Star, give me the guy who might be an All Star some day down the line
I just don't understand the logic of some people lol.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 9:04 pm to touchdownjeebus
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My point is that Burke addresses the 1 while still giving us the ability to address the 3 spot later this year or next year. Adding Jrue limits our flexibility.
What 3 would come here that would be as good at his position that Jrue is at his?
Any 3 that would have a big impact is one we'd have to overpay and lose our flexibility going forward.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 9:05 pm to tubucoco
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you're missing my whole point. oh, why the frick do I bother.
Just fail to understand how getting a proven commodity in Jrue over 2 unknowns would be hated. We don't know how Noel is and 2014 pick has even played yet and maybe hasn't played a college minute yet. We get a top tier PG for 2 unknowns. Does anyone realize the fail rate of draft picks? Especially out of the top 5?
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