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Article on Davis's Potential
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:01 am
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:01 am
Good read on Davis and how he can compete down low.
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This isn't your father's NBA, with behemoths like Shaquille O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing and David Robinson banging each other on the block. This is a speed game, with centers now being required to move laterally with point guards in covering pick and roll. Mobility and length are the key characteristics of centers, not size and strength.
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Yes, it's true that Anthony Davis is not a great post-up player, as Jeff Withey and Kansas displayed on Monday night. But given the state of NBA centers in 2012, does that really matter? In fact, Davis' superior ball-handling skills give his team an incredible advantage over every other center.
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As our own Andrew Sharp wrote on Tuesday, Davis is "everything you'd expect basketball superstars to look like 75 years from now."
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Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:08 am to corndeaux
I've been leading the "he may be a Center" charge.
I think he'll play both 4 & 5 depending on the matchup and position. "Positions" are fading a bit in the NBA, with players getting more versatile and there are, as the article suggests, very very few old school "Centers".
I think he'll play both 4 & 5 depending on the matchup and position. "Positions" are fading a bit in the NBA, with players getting more versatile and there are, as the article suggests, very very few old school "Centers".
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:13 am to corndeaux
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This isn't your father's NBA, with behemoths like Shaquille O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing and David Robinson banging each other on the block. This is a speed game, with centers now being required to move laterally with point guards in covering pick and roll. Mobility and length are the key characteristics of centers, not size and strength.
The fact remains that no team has proven they can win a ring without a dominant big or 2 or 3 decent ones.
Anthony Davis is a peice of the puzzle, but he is not the Answer.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:18 am to BIGDAB
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The fact remains that no team has proven they can win a ring without a dominant big or 2 or 3 decent ones.
Teams have won rings without "dominant bigs".
The first three Jordan teams didn't have dominant bigs (at least not in my mind...Grant and Cartwright were average players). Do you count Chandler as a "dominant big" on last year's Mavs team?
Who played opposite Duncan in the frontcourt after Robinson retired on some of those championship teams? I can't even recall, but I'm sure you'll all tell me.
If you get Davis, it doesn't matter if its 4 or 5 really..he's going to be a star at that position.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:19 am to Fun Bunch
Don't forget the Pistons, and Kendrick Perkins is not dominant, either.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:24 am to BIGDAB
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dominant big
Last years finals teams had no dominant bigs. The frontrunners this year (OKC, MIA, CHI) have no dominant bigs.
The only dominant, traditional bigs in the league are Howard and Bynum.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:27 am to Fun Bunch
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"Positions are fading"
Agree 100%. It's all about skill sets, not made up positional mandates. Ziller and Shoals did stuff on this a year or so ago. The Z chart/graph was a big part of their "position revolution"
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:49 am to Fun Bunch
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I've been leading the "he may be a Center" charge.
FWIW, Calapari was interviewed yesterday and asked about Davis' future in the NBA and he said that he'd be a 4/3.
I'd agree, he's much more like a Kevin Durant or Kevin Garnett or even a Andrei Kirilenko or Tyrus Thomas than a Brendan Heyward, Roy Hibbert, Spencer Hawes, Kendrick Perkins or Dwight Howard.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:53 am to corndeaux
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position revolution
There's a reason people have started calling PFs and Cs "bigs" and SGs and SFs "wings". Davis is your weakside defense big. If you need someone to body up on Andrew Bynum maybe you should bring Aaron Gray back to start in about 20% of the games.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:56 am to Fun Bunch
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The first three Jordan teams didn't have dominant bigs (at least not in my mind...Grant and Cartwright were average players).
The bulls used a multiple center rotation, Will Perdue and Bill Cartwright. Horace Grant was a power forward. While Cartwright and Perdue were not HOF centers, they still managed to make the triangle offense work, and they could defend. Ask Patrick Ewing.
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Who played opposite Duncan in the frontcourt after Robinson retired on some of those championship teams? I can't even recall, but I'm sure you'll all tell me.
Duncan is more of a power forward and not a center.
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If you get Davis, it doesn't matter if its 4 or 5 really..he's going to be a star at that position.
I will be surprised if he does. He has not shown the ability do dominate the game from the offensive side of the ball.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:01 am to Suntiger
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I'd agree, he's much more like a Kevin Durant or Kevin Garnett
Here is the problem I have with AD's game. To compare him to either Kevin is not a good idea in my opinion. He Won't ever be as prolific a scorer as KD, and unless he develops some serious game with his back to the basket, he wont be a KG( in his prime). The only thing he has in common with KG, or KD is his frame.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:04 am to TigerinATL
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Davis is your weakside big
For now. If he gets to 250-260lb and keeps his quickness and agility, he is the complete package on defense with great potential on offense.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:07 am to BIGDAB
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The only thing he has in common with KG, or KD is his frame.
Agreed. I think his athleticisim is pretty similar too.
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To compare him to either Kevin is not a good idea in my opinion. He Won't ever be as prolific a scorer as KD, and unless he develops some serious game with his back to the basket, he wont be a KG( in his prime).
Agreed as well. But I think he's a better ball handler than KG and a better defender than Durant. Somewhere in the middle of those two guys... Again, an NBA 4/3.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:10 am to corndeaux
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In fact, Davis' superior ball-handling skills give his team an incredible advantage over every other center.
I've been saying this all season he is the next great Center in the NBA. This league is turning to have your biggest defined & run the floor with your PG & Wings score in the half court.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:19 am to BIGDAB
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Horace Grant was a power forward
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Duncan is more of a power forward and not a center.
PFs are "bigs". PFs and Centers are bigs in my book...are they not in yours? I've always lumped the two into that phrase. Just like SG and SFs are "wings".
I know this is the height of hubris on my part, but I think Calipari is wrong and borderline nuts. There's no way Davis will be a 3. 4/5 for sure.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:43 am to Fun Bunch
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the height of hubris on my part, but I think Calipari is wrong and borderline nuts. There's no way Davis will be a 3. 4/5 for sure.
Wow! I see what you are saying, I just agree with Cal on this one.
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I've been saying this all season he is the next great Center in the NBA. This league is turning to have your biggest defined & run the floor with your PG & Wings score in the half court.
I think the future of the NBA centers will be defined by the guys who play the position. Dwight Howard is pretty much "The Center" right now in the NBA. But I think that's because we don't have a Shaq or Olajuwon or Wilt or David Robinson or Bill Russell or Patrick Ewing or even a Yoa Ming for that matter.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:52 am to corndeaux
This article pretty much summarizes what I was trying to say in the thread on the MSB re: Davis vs. Durant.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:55 am to OBUDan
So do you think AD has the potential to be as good as Pau Gasol or Lamar Odom?
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Posted on 4/4/12 at 12:21 pm to Suntiger
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I just agree with Cal on this one
He is a dominant rebounder and shot blocker. He could develop a 3 point shot. But putting him at the 3 takes away his two best skills.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 12:27 pm to BIGDAB
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So do you think AD has the potential to be as good as Pau Gasol or Lamar Odom?
He has the potential to be considerably better than both.
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