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re: Anyone for a Mitchell CJ trade?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 6:33 am to theducks
Posted on 6/7/22 at 6:33 am to theducks
CJ helped mold and bond this team to become what they did. It is not just about his play (which without it we don't make the playoffs) but without him we are not where we are now. He knows his role and will fully embrace it when Zion comes back. We have a core that seems to be like a family.
And you want to trade that for Mitchell?
And you want to trade that for Mitchell?
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:36 am to theducks
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Mitchell is only a “star” because the media tells you he is.
He’s the best player on a team that has been in the playoffs every year for years. He’s the same age as BI but yet he still has not lead the Pels to a winning record (or winning record in his career) while Mitchell lead his team to the best record in the West. A multiple year all star and the media is the one telling me he’s a star?
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 9:06 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:41 am to theducks
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Plays in the East. McCollum, Jrue, Conley, etc would all have been All Star players in the East.
So which is it? The east sucks that’s why none of these guys could make an all star game in the west but Mitchell got his team to the best record in the all mighty west and playoffs every year but is not a star? By yiur logic seems like the west is hot garbage if just a guy can lead his team to the best record in the league. So again I ask, which is it?
Your argument makes no sense what so ever.
Is he not the best player on a playoff team? If every player was made available, who do you think would pull in the most on a trade by far. Here’s a hint, It’s definitely not an old school overpaid center and an over the hill Conley…..
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 8:52 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:46 am to Split2874
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And you want to trade that for Mitchell?
If we didn’t have to give up much else outside of CJ, and Mitchell would sign an extension or agree to one before the trade I would. But neither is likely at all so this is all for naught.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 8:47 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:32 am to Townedrunkard
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He’s the best player on a team that has been in the playoffs every year for years.
The Jazz are 23-11 with Gobert and no Mitchell.
Jazz are 18-19 with Mitchell but no Gobert
So I'm not sure it would be accurate to say Mitchell is either their best player or the one to lead them to winning records.
Gobert also seems to be the more loyal player, so if I am Ainge, I would strongly consider cashing Mitchell in at his likely peak value and seeing if you can rebuild the roster. And if I am a GM on the other side, I would be skeptical of building around Mitchell as my centerpiece. I think Mitchell is the concerning player that isn't actually capable of being the best player on a championship team but thinks he is.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 9:36 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:38 am to Bronc
Do the Grizz record without Ja this year. Does that mean Ja is not the best player on his team by your standards?
Maybe whoever replaces Gobert is alot worse than whoever replaces Mitchell.
Maybe whoever replaces Gobert is alot worse than whoever replaces Mitchell.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:45 am to Townedrunkard
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Do the Grizz record without Ja this year. Does that mean Ja is not the best player on his team by your standards?
I do think part of Memphis's success is they have a great system in place that allows them to plug and play a certain type of guard and that won't get them exposed defensively and allows them to put up big numbers. But this is an apples to oranges comparison.
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Maybe whoever replaces Gobert is alot worse than whoever replaces Mitchell.
I mean that can be interpreted either that Gobert is that good that there is going to be an enormous drop off, or his back up is terrible. But Derrick Favors was arguably the best back up big in the league for a while. And part of what made the Jazz such a formidable regular season team was their depth and Gobert's defensive consistency.
Point is though, when it comes to impacting wins and losses, Gobert seems to be the bigger difference maker for the Jazz, and Mitchell's semi diva personality and sense of wanting to be the star on a team, but not actually being someone good enough to be the best player on a championship team gives me major reservations for any team giving up the farm to get him.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:55 am to Bronc
Surprisingly, Mitchell ranks pretty well in advanced metrics
That being said, I'll pass on him
That being said, I'll pass on him
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:36 am to Bronc
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Point is though, when it comes to impacting wins and losses, Gobert seems to be the bigger difference maker for the Jazz
I agree with this, probably because of what you just said about the Grizz. I’m sure the Jazzs entire defensive philosophy is built around what Gobert can do. He’s been a multiple DPOY. Of course when he misses time it will have bigger impact than losing a wing that doesn’t play D.
You’ve seen Favors on this team, now imagine him two years older.
On the trade market, who will pull in more though?
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 10:43 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:12 pm to Townedrunkard
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On the trade market, who will pull in more though?
Mitchell I heavily suspect, which is why if I'm Ainge, thats the play I make.
See if you can get a Godfather offer somewhere, make sure it has a strong mix of assets(young players, Gobert-complimentary players, draft picks), then build from there.
Frankly though, I think ultimately both are going to be playing somewhere else within a few years.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:28 pm to Bronc
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Point is though, when it comes to impacting wins and losses, Gobert seems to be the bigger difference maker for the Jazz, and Mitchell's semi diva personality and sense of wanting to be the star on a team, but not actually being someone good enough to be the best player on a championship team gives me major reservations for any team giving up the farm to get him.
I don't believe you will have to give up the farm to get him.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:34 pm to Townedrunkard
How drunk are you?
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