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re: Anthony Davis has the first 40/20 game this year
Posted on 3/17/14 at 5:33 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 3/17/14 at 5:33 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Olajuwon. If you can't spell one of the all time greats name right Idk if I have a reason to read the rest of your post.
I don't no if you do either. If my team went from stuck in perpetual mediocrity to rising hopes with 2 stars, I'd probably look for any excuse to avoid the fact that the next dominant player in the league is both in my division and ahead of schedule on being dominant while having just turned 21. And just in case this dose of reality is bringing you down, I misspelled know on purpose in the first sentence, why should anyone respect the opinion of a person that doesn't know the difference between know and no, right?
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 5:49 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Olajuwon. If you can't spell one of the all time greats name right Idk if I have a reason to read the rest of your post.
lol that's like saying because an english major can't add, I don't trust them to write my paper.
don't worry though, GS will bounce yal when they overtake portland.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 5:50 pm to htran90
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I agree, he has potential to lead in blocks and rebound. points is absurd. Scoring would mean he would have to take 20 shots a game (up from his 15.3) and get around 10 ft shots a game (up from his 6.6 attempts per game) and that would put him at 30ppg with a 55 fg% and 80 ft%. That is not likely to happen. At 30ppg, he'd still be 2nd to durant.
Not absurd at all. Garnett, Love, and Aldridge were first 3 players I looked up to see their progression of shots taken. They are all similar to the 15 to 20 increase you described
Love - 8.5, 10.8, 14.1, 19.3, 18.5
Aldridge attempted ~15 shots years 2-4, ~17 years 5-7, and finally almost 21 this year.
Garnett went from ~15 is 2nd and 3rd year to a max of 19.6
Last 3 years before this one, the league leading scorer averaged between 27-29 PPG. This year is high(arguably in part because of Westbrooks injury). I don't think anybody has said that they expect Davis to outscore the league in a year when somebody else averages 30+ points. That doesn't happen every year though.
It's absurd to think that there definitely won't be a year at any point during his prime where 28/13.5/3 would lead the league in all 3 categories. If that happens, he has a decent chance of putting up those numbers, no?
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 5:53 pm to TheSexecutioner
The reason I say it is currently absurd is because we have 4 other players that need 10+ shots as well.
Reke, Gordon, Holiday, and Ryno need their touches and there just isn't enough to go around for AD to keep getting 20+ shots with all 4 of them healthy.
Now if you're telling me we're cutting bait with at least Reke or Gordon, then it becomes a maybe. issue is, you have to honestly outshoot durant who's kept up his production. It won't happen next year, but 3-4 years maybe.
ETA:
Portland:
Aldrige 20.8fga (23.4pts)
Lillard 16.1fga
Matthews 12.3fga
Batum 10.0fga
Williams 9.1fga
'Sota:
Love 18.5fga (26.4pts)
Martin 15.3fga
Pekovic 13.3fga
Brewer 9.7fga
Barea 8.5fga
Us:
Anderson 16.1fga
Davis 15.3fga (21.4pts)
Holiday 13.4fga
Gordon 13.0fga
Evans 11.8fga
I know it skews it a bit considering the fact that they are injured and such, but the distribution isn't just there unless one goes.
ETA2: Duncan's highest was 18.3fga (50.8%); 8.5FTA (79.9%) 25.5ppg
That's where I expect him, not close to 30ppg and if he's getting 10fta, he's having to get hit close to the rim far too often.
Shaq's most dominant fga season was 21.1fga (57.4%) and 10.4fta (52.4%); his highest FTA was 13.1 the following year and he shot 19.2fga
Reke, Gordon, Holiday, and Ryno need their touches and there just isn't enough to go around for AD to keep getting 20+ shots with all 4 of them healthy.
Now if you're telling me we're cutting bait with at least Reke or Gordon, then it becomes a maybe. issue is, you have to honestly outshoot durant who's kept up his production. It won't happen next year, but 3-4 years maybe.
ETA:
Portland:
Aldrige 20.8fga (23.4pts)
Lillard 16.1fga
Matthews 12.3fga
Batum 10.0fga
Williams 9.1fga
'Sota:
Love 18.5fga (26.4pts)
Martin 15.3fga
Pekovic 13.3fga
Brewer 9.7fga
Barea 8.5fga
Us:
Anderson 16.1fga
Davis 15.3fga (21.4pts)
Holiday 13.4fga
Gordon 13.0fga
Evans 11.8fga
I know it skews it a bit considering the fact that they are injured and such, but the distribution isn't just there unless one goes.
ETA2: Duncan's highest was 18.3fga (50.8%); 8.5FTA (79.9%) 25.5ppg
That's where I expect him, not close to 30ppg and if he's getting 10fta, he's having to get hit close to the rim far too often.
Shaq's most dominant fga season was 21.1fga (57.4%) and 10.4fta (52.4%); his highest FTA was 13.1 the following year and he shot 19.2fga
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 5:58 pm to htran90
quote:
Now if you're telling me we're cutting bait with at least Reke or Gordon, then it becomes a maybe. issue is, you have to honestly outshoot durant who's kept up his production. It won't happen next year, but 3-4 years maybe.
I'm pretty sure the original claim made was that he could do it at some point in his career. Was it not?
He almost certainly won't do it next year and I'd say there is a less than 50 percent chance he ever does it. Laughing at a claim that he could do it is stupid though. Almost every month he hits some type of milestone (first x pts/y reb/z stl game since Shaq/Robinson/Olajuwon). I don't think it's absurd to think he could do something that an underachieving Shaq just barely missed out on.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 6:04 pm to TheSexecutioner
It's just not possible with the way the team is being built. If you threw him on milwaukee or some team with 0 other stars I would agree.
Him leading the league in ppg, rpb, and bpg is a huge stretch and that's me believing he could potentially become one of the all time greats. The numbers for him to do it just aren't there. Being realistic, him shooting 20 times and getting 55% is reasonable. Him getting 10 fta per game is not reasonable. Even Griffin is at 8.4fta and the only person averaging 10fta per game is Durant. 2nd is dwight at 9.2fta.
Even Garnett never averaged 7fta per game.
Him leading the league in ppg, rpb, and bpg is a huge stretch and that's me believing he could potentially become one of the all time greats. The numbers for him to do it just aren't there. Being realistic, him shooting 20 times and getting 55% is reasonable. Him getting 10 fta per game is not reasonable. Even Griffin is at 8.4fta and the only person averaging 10fta per game is Durant. 2nd is dwight at 9.2fta.
Even Garnett never averaged 7fta per game.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 6:15 pm to htran90
Fine. Let's say he only shoots 8 free throws a game. That's ~28 points. About what The Dream averaged in his prime. You confident that it's impossible 28 points could lead the league?
Last 3 years it would have been really close.
The only thing we've seen so far is that doubting the stat producing ability of AD makes one look foolish more times than not.
Last 3 years it would have been really close.
The only thing we've seen so far is that doubting the stat producing ability of AD makes one look foolish more times than not.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 6:21 pm to htran90
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Even Garnett never averaged 7fta per game.
So? He didn't attack the rim near as much as Davis. Davis is averaging as many this year in his second season as Garnett did in his highest year ever.
Plus, this is obviously contingent on Davis being better(at least stats wise) than Garnett ever was. If his ceiling was Garnett, I would agree this is ridiculous.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 6:39 pm to TheSexecutioner
In reference to AD possibly leading ?the league in points rebounds and blocks. Now I love ?the sound of it because I'm not sure if its ever been done besides Wilt. But I don't like the sound because it means AD is doing too much. Meaning ?the team is not well rounded enough to win a championship. Just imo
Posted on 3/17/14 at 6:51 pm to TheSexecutioner
the whole point is it isn't LIKELY to happen.
It can happen if he was the team's primary and his #2 was FAR away. Or there are 2 good scorers and a bunch of scrubs. Lets go to another PF that's pretty good:
Griffin: 17.1 fga (53.5%); 8.4fta (69.9%)
Crawford: 14.7 fga
Paul: 13.9 fga
Redick: 11.7 fga
Collison: 8.1 fga
AD shooting 20+fga per game is not likely with Holiday and Anderson back. It honestly just isn't because good teams distribute their shots. It just simply the fact the situation he is in, it won't happen. Put him on a team where he's the only player doing crap (like kobe in the mid 2000s) and he would easily put it up.
It can happen if he was the team's primary and his #2 was FAR away. Or there are 2 good scorers and a bunch of scrubs. Lets go to another PF that's pretty good:
Griffin: 17.1 fga (53.5%); 8.4fta (69.9%)
Crawford: 14.7 fga
Paul: 13.9 fga
Redick: 11.7 fga
Collison: 8.1 fga
AD shooting 20+fga per game is not likely with Holiday and Anderson back. It honestly just isn't because good teams distribute their shots. It just simply the fact the situation he is in, it won't happen. Put him on a team where he's the only player doing crap (like kobe in the mid 2000s) and he would easily put it up.
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