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2018 Non-Pels Offseason Thread

Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted by NOFOX
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:33 pm
Wanted to start a thread for general league happenings and not flood the Pels offseason thread with non-Pels rumors.

And it starts with fire:

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@ClevisMurray - Stephen A. Smith says LeBron James will have a conversation with the Warriors this summer.

Also says the Warriors don’t expect Kevin Durant to go elsewhere this summer.


...well that would be the worst thing ever.

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@ClevisMurray - Smith also reports James will have conversations with the Celtics, Rockets and Sixers during free agency.


Let us hope that the Warriors bit is just Stephen A headlines and he goes to the Celtics or Sixers. Stephen A is convinced that he is gone from Cleveland and I tend to agree with him.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 1:35 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:55 pm to
I guess the Lakers are the most likely Miami Big 3 situation. Lonzo + Deng to a bad team for a future draft pick which is sent to OKC. George opts in and gets traded to the Lakers so he can start a new deal the following season on the 35% max. CP3 and LeBron sign into cap space for $30 each on 1 + 1s.

CP3
PG-13
Ingram
Kuzma
LeBron

That's an interesting finishing 5, especially over the next several years.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:24 pm to
Yeah, the Vegas odds for the Lakers to win next season (20/1) is in line with them landing 2 stars this year. I think with Pelinka and Magic running the show now and it being the Lakers, they are going to go back to being a free agent destination. Those guys know how to woo stars.


More interesting would be for them to sign Lebron and PG outright and then empty their assets for Kawhi. Any team based on a healthy Lebron, Kawhi, PG-13 would be beyond dominant.

Another team not many are talking about is Miami. The Heat strangely opened at 20/1 odds to win it all next year. That is strange considering what appears to be a mediocre roster with difficult contracts.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 2:28 pm
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:12 pm to
Warriors would be great in a watch the world burn way. a smart friend nihilisticaly put it like this- LeBron should embrace the incoherence of late stage capitalism, sign for the minimum in GS, and completely overturn the system


i just dont get the LA thing if he's serious about titles/legacy. and even the business angle of that moves seems like a stretch to me. it's all global. he is already one of the most famous people on the planet- he can get a meeting with anyone whenever he wants. he can live in LA all summer, like almost every other NBA player. not sure how much he, with a burgeoning business empire in hand, needs to be in LA.

if he didnt hate Gilbert i'd bet on him to stay in Cleveland. the final 5 year max as he waits for Bronny Jr to enter the league is lined up too well. but that clip of him snubbing Gilbert from a week ago was brutal
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:18 pm to
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even the business angle of that moves seems like a stretch to me.


Isn't it not just a business angle, but a business/media angle? Being in Los Angeles would definitely be beneficial if his next business venture is media related. Kobe winning an Oscar has surely raised the post retirement bar for NBA greats.
Posted by NOFOX
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:12 pm to
Not to mention that LA’s books look Greta outside of Deng and they have multiple young assets that could be moved. That is a roster that could be shaped into a contender quickly if they are willing to shed some of the youngsters.
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 7:51 am to
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business/media angle? Being in Los Angeles would definitely be beneficial if his next business venture is media related


not sure how much that really changes anything i said before. until he retires, the off-season is when he can focus on that. off days in LA are nice, but i doubt he's going to a movie shoot

Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 7:54 am to
he's not going to LA because he thinks he can beat the Warriors with whatever roster they can pull off
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 8:37 am to
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i doubt he's going to a movie shoot


No, but he can start important networking now. This isn't about the people that want to make money off of LeBron. Those people would go to Cleveland to see him. This is about the people that LeBron wants make money off of, LeBron's the one that has to go see them. It's a lot easier to set up a casual lunch with a studio executive on an off day if he's in LA rather than Cleveland.
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 9:52 am to
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but he can start important networking now


i'm talking out of my arse here, but i imagine he's been networking already.

this isn't Durant going to Silicon Valley and saying "I am into tech." LeBron has been in a movie (and received great reviews), has a media company that's already in bed with WB, has invested in successful companies (e.g. Beats and Blaze pizza), and has a small stake in an international sports team.

he's been building an empire for over a decade and has been doing the necessary leg work to where he's not an athlete looking for a way in. he's already in with movers and shakers and already has bona fides as a savvy operator

now, maybe to get Space Jam 2 off the ground, producers etc need him in LA full time.
Posted by NOFOX
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:31 am to
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i'm talking out of my arse here, but i imagine he's been networking already.

this isn't Durant going to Silicon Valley and saying "I am into tech." LeBron has been in a movie (and received great reviews), has a media company that's already in bed with WB, has invested in successful companies (e.g. Beats and Blaze pizza), and has a small stake in an international sports team.

he's been building an empire for over a decade and has been doing the necessary leg work to where he's not an athlete looking for a way in. he's already in with movers and shakers and already has bona fides as a savvy operator

now, maybe to get Space Jam 2 off the ground, producers etc need him in LA full time.



His production company (Springhill Entertainment) is in a fledlging state doing an update of House Party as their first feature film. His other investments don't apply to Hollywood. He has smart people working for him and no doubt, they will be in LA doing the work, but if he plans to be intimately involved in building and growing a media empire, then that will be much easier if he is in LA or very close.

Lebron is famous and he has made movie cameos, but studio heads don't give a shite. They deal with famous people who have production companies all of the time and who can create instant impact at the box office. As TigerinAtl said, those people are not going to go to Lebron. He is going to have to go to them. I do think his involvement will help a lot with getting actors attached to his films, so I doubt he wants to be hands off.

So it depends on his intended level of involvement, but it appears that he is fully invested in getting the production company really going. I don't think that is the determining factor on where he goes, but I do think that it will have an impact.
This post was edited on 6/7/18 at 10:33 am
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 12:08 pm to
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His production company (Springhill Entertainment) is in a fledlging state doing an update of House Party as their first feature film


They also have several TV series either on air or in production/development w/ NBC, History channel, Netflix, and HBO. Plus his Uninterrupted site w/ pods and video series.

It's a 5 year old media company w/ little proven track record of success. Yes, he needs to continue do more to turn it into a player in that world, but they do have some juice.

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So it depends on his intended level of involvement, but it appears that he is fully invested in getting the production company really going. I don't think that is the determining factor on where he goes, but I do think that it will have an impact.


Right. If he's ready to more fully explore that part of his career more then LA makes the most sense for him. If he's still trying to build his NBA legacy/numbers or just wants to focus mainly on basketball for a little while longer, I don't buy LA nearly as much.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 12:08 pm to
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@ChrisMannixYS
Law firm Philly hired says they connected the burner accounts to Bryan Colangelo’s wife, Barbara, and that in interviews she admitted to establishing and operating the accounts.

No surprise here, but Colangelo is gone.
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@wojespn
Philadelphia and Bryan Colangelo have agreed to part ways, league sources tell ESPN.

So Philly is in a bit of disarray and need to hire someone just before the draft. And there are rumors floating around that Papa Jerry threatened to frick Philly up if they fired Bryan. He is going to air their dirty laundry to every agent out there.
This post was edited on 6/7/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 12:31 pm to
People are saying they should hire Griffin to have an in with LeBron. If they trade for LeBron rather than signing him they can keep Redick and we know shooters and LeBron are a good mix. That means they need to send out at least $30ish million but don't have a ton of high salary contract outside of Embid.

Philly - LeBron
Atlanta - Fultz, Bayless, Kormaz
NOLA - Covington
Cleveland - Moore, 2019 picks from NOLA and ATL

Before anyone says this is crazy, to get LeBron via trade they have to send out salary which means Covington/Fultz/Bayless and probably some smaller deals like Korkmaz and Luwawu have to go.

So in the end the choice is LeBron + Fultz continuing to decline in value because a contender doesn't have time for growing pains + Covington vs. LeBron + Redick and whatever draft pick change is leftover.

Edited, Philly can't get LeBron and Moore so he has to go to Cleveland or another team. But NOLA is clearly the most willing team in the league to throw down a 1st in a trade so we make sense as a trade partner if Cleveland is going to rebuild.
This post was edited on 6/7/18 at 12:48 pm
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 12:35 pm to
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Right. If he's ready to more fully explore that part of his career more then LA makes the most sense for him. If he's still trying to build his NBA legacy/numbers or just wants to focus mainly on basketball for a little while longer, I don't buy LA nearly as much.


I think he can accomplish both. He can form another Big 3 in LA with their assets and cap situation if they are willing to sacrifice their rebuild (which they likely are). It is similar to the Cleveland situation he came back to. And he gets to twilight his basketball career in the same place where the focus of his next career will be.

Hell I think the Laker name may be the only thing causing him some concern. The flexibility that the team provides in the location he wants to be has to be appealing. He has the narrative now to leave Cleveland and form a new superteam in LA without getting destroyed in the media because he is David going up against the Warriors Goliath.

They only have $39M in guaranteed salary (with Deng's $18M) and Randle's caphold is just $12M. There is a LOT to work with in LA.

Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:15 am to
i dont think they should trade players to get LeBron when they can sign him into cap space. losing Redick would hurt, but i'd prefer to keep Covington and Fultz if i were them. what are Belinelli and Ilyasova looking for?

and, to be honest, they shouldn't mortgage it all this summer. if the price is too high in a trade or they miss out on premier FA, bring Redick back, look for some more depth, and run it back. they will still have cap space. they're very good and heir franchise players have a combined 170 games in the league and are still learning. it's a natural evolution thats tough to rush

also, here's Ziller going in deep on the Colangelo's LINK
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:21 am to
You may be right. I can see Paul George getting there to team up in LA. but who's the 3rd guy? Kawhi would be awfully tasty, but not sure Ingram/Kuzma + would be enough in the Kawhi sweepstakes.

also, they have to deal Lonzo, right? LeBron isn't tolerating LaVar's bs.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25585 posts
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:58 am to
It sucks that the Cavs suck and couldn't make this a series, and help up the salary cap, but i'm ready for the offseason to officially begin. go warriors (please read that as if it was in a font of about 4, b/c i really don't mean it when i say it)
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9947 posts
Posted on 6/8/18 at 10:00 am to
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You may be right. I can see Paul George getting there to team up in LA. but who's the 3rd guy? Kawhi would be awfully tasty, but not sure Ingram/Kuzma + would be enough in the Kawhi sweepstakes.

also, they have to deal Lonzo, right? LeBron isn't tolerating LaVar's bs.


The juiciest scenario would be Kawhi. If the rumors of him wanting to be in LA are true and Spurs don’t give super max, then maybe they take Ingram/Kuzma and picks.

Oh yeah, Lonzo is gone. No way Lebron tolerates a sophomore PG with baggage who would get roasted defensively in the playoffs. But there is just a lot of flexibility there to get creative.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61511 posts
Posted on 6/8/18 at 10:07 am to
It seems like unless the Pels can land a George or LeBron, continuing to zag and doing it bigger while the league goes smaller might be their best shot at competing.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 10:08 am
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