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Would Kurt Cobain have been more successful than Eddie Vedder?
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:09 pm
In the grunge hay day, Nirvana and Pearl Jam dominated the scene with both having very iconic lead men. Although many people take the allegiance of one band over the other, I actually really like them both. Pearl Jams "10" was incredible, and Nirvana "nevermind" was a game changer. Both albums brought decade long rock hits that will live on forever. Now for some reason people on this board like to discredit Vedder based on his voice even though at the time it was very unique and new. He had many many copy cats that ruined his style IMO.
But back to the question , if Kurt does not take his life, is he more successful than Eddie at this point in time? Pearl Jam still tours and Vedder has put out some very deep solo projects including "into the wild" from the motion picture. What say the music board??
But back to the question , if Kurt does not take his life, is he more successful than Eddie at this point in time? Pearl Jam still tours and Vedder has put out some very deep solo projects including "into the wild" from the motion picture. What say the music board??
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:11 pm to tigerbru17
no. he really wasn't that talented as a guitarist and sucked as a vocalist.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:15 pm to tigerbru17
no.
he wouldn't have been more successful than Nowell.
he wouldn't have been more successful than Nowell.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:21 pm to tigerbru17
He didn't want to be successful in the first place. Nirvana would still be huge if Cobain wanted them to be.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:30 pm to Brosef Stalin
Do you beleive they would have had more success than Pearl Jam?
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:09 pm to tigerbru17
Probably. Pearl Jam intentionally tried to be non commercial by not releasing videos or singles for many years. It probably hurt them a little but obviously they're still very popular. Assuming Nirvana kept on making videos and releasing singles to radio they would have stayed more in public view and probably would have been more successful.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:44 pm to Brosef Stalin
Pearl Jam also had the whole Ticket Master issue.I always thought if they released Black as a single and made a video for it that Ten would have become one of the biggest selling albums.Pearl Jam was outselling Nirvana before Cobain's death.Nirvana sells were down and I don't think they were gonna be together much longer.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 12:01 am to tigerbru17
If Kurt were still alive he sure as shite wouldn't still be touring with Nirvana
And if you look at the differences between In Utero and Nevermind, Cobain was intentionally making Nirvana's music less palatable to average music listeners
And if you look at the differences between In Utero and Nevermind, Cobain was intentionally making Nirvana's music less palatable to average music listeners
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:22 am to Cockopotamus
Yes, Kurt was looked up to by Eddie and others. Kurt's style and songwriting put him in a different category. Also, Kurt would have stopped while on top, I say Kurt and them had about 3 albums left and then they would have quit.
Kurt > Eddie
Kurt > Eddie
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:39 am to Brosef Stalin
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He didn't want to be successful in the first place. Nirvana would still be huge if Cobain wanted them to be.
He said that? He was probably full of crap.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:49 am to tigerbru17
Looking back, I really don't like grunge because it was pretty fake. You went to great lengths to make people think you didn't care what people thought.
Kurt was one of the worst offenders.
Their music hasn't aged well to me. Hell, it didn't make it to 2000 before I was absolutely bored with it.
On the flip side, I can still listen to some select Pearl Jam songs, because they were actually decent musicians.
Kurt was one of the worst offenders.
Their music hasn't aged well to me. Hell, it didn't make it to 2000 before I was absolutely bored with it.
On the flip side, I can still listen to some select Pearl Jam songs, because they were actually decent musicians.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:30 am to tigerbru17
i don't know if cobain would've been MORE successful than eddie vedder...but if he followed a business philosophy similar to pearl jam, sure, he might've still enjoyed success today. maybe he wouldn't have been so prolific on a mainstream level, but neither are pearl jam anymore, and it sure as hell hasn't hurt them at the box office...
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:23 am to Brosef Stalin
I see Kurt this way. He was consumed by trying to attain fame. Once he got it, he didn't want it anymore. Not at the level he had it.
Pearl Jam went thru the same crap but they were way more stable than Nirvana was. They learned to live with it. Best thing that happened to them was that the casual fans only remember them for one song (Black). They continue to make music that is different from the preceding album. That's what makes PJ great, lasting, and relevant. It was a lesson learned with the overnight superstar status and it has served them well.
Do I think Nirvana could have achieved the same thing?
No. Their super hit haunted their frontman and he went thru great lengths to distance himself from it. Also, heroin is a helluva drug. Also, Courtney Love was one evil b.
Pearl Jam went thru the same crap but they were way more stable than Nirvana was. They learned to live with it. Best thing that happened to them was that the casual fans only remember them for one song (Black). They continue to make music that is different from the preceding album. That's what makes PJ great, lasting, and relevant. It was a lesson learned with the overnight superstar status and it has served them well.
Do I think Nirvana could have achieved the same thing?
No. Their super hit haunted their frontman and he went thru great lengths to distance himself from it. Also, heroin is a helluva drug. Also, Courtney Love was one evil b.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:35 am to TH03
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no. he really wasn't that talented as a guitarist and sucked as a vocalist.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:15 am to RoyalBaby
I could see Kurt ending up like Jeff Magnum and basically being reclusive but coming out and doing a club tour once every 3-5 years or so.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:41 am to Patrick O Rly
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Looking back, I really don't like grunge [b]because it was pretty fake.....I can still listen to some select Pearl Jam songs, because they were actually decent musicians.
if you don't like punk based music that's fine but drop this pretentious "i know what bands are real/fake" and "my opinion about a musicians talent is 'right' and yours is "wrong'" nonsense
This post was edited on 3/22/14 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:48 am to tigerbru17
No
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:58 am to Patrick O Rly
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Looking back, I really don't like grunge because it was pretty fake. You went to great lengths to make people think you didn't care what people thought.
the frick does this even mean? they're human, of course they care what other people think. they wouldn't have released albums to the public if they didn't. the difference was they seemingly didn't let it affect what they put out on record.
they played and recorded what they wanted to play and record, not what they thought the public wanted. they still cared about what people thought of it after they released it, but that's different than not giving a shite altogether.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 12:02 pm to Brosef Stalin
Personally, I think he would have given up music and would have become an extremely reclusive writer.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 12:16 pm to RoyalBaby
Heroin. It makes this argument tough.
Had he lived they would have possibly been like STP. Train wreck of a singer who bounces in and out of rehab. Grohl would have left and Novaselic sp? Is just a strange dude anyway who appears happy with what he has and stay out of spotlight.
Essentially I think had he lived Cobain = Weiland. With the exception of people's perception of Nirvana as the FIRST band because Teen Spirit was the first household name song from Seattle.
Had he lived they would have possibly been like STP. Train wreck of a singer who bounces in and out of rehab. Grohl would have left and Novaselic sp? Is just a strange dude anyway who appears happy with what he has and stay out of spotlight.
Essentially I think had he lived Cobain = Weiland. With the exception of people's perception of Nirvana as the FIRST band because Teen Spirit was the first household name song from Seattle.
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