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re: Where does the Grateful Dead rank?

Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:52 pm to
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:52 pm to
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Damn, reading your posts I would have guessed around 30 or older...





I'll take that as a compliment I guess
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 9:58 pm to
You just seem to favor older music and I barely hear you mention newer stuff...

Here you go... a really underrated song writer...

Ronnie Lane and Slim Chance - One for the Road
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:02 pm to
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You just seem to favor older music



I do but I also like a shite ton of current music. But my passion lies in the music of the 60s and 70s


I'm a fan of good music in general. When it was made doesn't concern me but I do tend to enjoy the sounds of those two decades more.
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:22 pm to
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measuring stick for every single Jam Band that has came along since.



=/= the biggest or greatest legacy in rock n' roll. Not by a long shot.

Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:28 pm to
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=/= the biggest or greatest legacy in rock n' roll. Not by a long shot.




However being the face of the entire Hippie counter culture movement puts you pretty damn close.
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:31 pm to
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However being the face of the entire Hippie counter culture movement puts you pretty damn close.



Well, being an old fart, I have to say that, while they were big, they represented only a segment of the counterculture and its music. Frankly, I think it's the next generation that venerates them more than their contemporaries.
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:33 pm to
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I think it's the next generation that venerates them more than their contemporaries.




hence the phrase "LEAVING a legacy"
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:36 pm to
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hence the phrase "LEAVING a legacy"


What do you think the response would be if we took a poll that asked the direct question:

"Who was the most important band rock n' roll history?"

OR

"What band influenced you the most?"

Ask that question of musicians and nonmusicians alike. Where do you think the Dead would rank relative to The Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Sex Pistols, etc.
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:39 pm to
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The Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Sex Pistols, etc.



and how many of those bands are American? None...


ask those same bands which American bands influenced you the most and how many do you think would cite the Grateful Dead?
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:43 pm to
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and how many of those bands are American? None...


ask those same bands which American bands influenced you the most and how many do you think would cite the Grateful Dead?



Just saw the OP said "American". Okay, I'll bet you a thousand dollars that ABB, Creedence, Beach Boys and others would rate as high as The Dead. I'm not even saying I would agree. I just think you are waaaaaayyyyyy over estimating the influence and general popularity of jam bands.

ETA: a cult following that can fill up a large field does not equate with overall popularity and influence.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 10:44 pm
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:46 pm to
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ABB, Creedence, Beach Boys and others would rate as high as The Dead.



Two of which I cited as being in the same category as The Dead however none of those three had the following of The Dead I don't think.

None of those three had a scene all their own. Like other posters have said. It wasn't the dead was the best at what they did, they were the only ones to do what they did.
Posted by Souljah
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:47 pm to
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CottonWasKing


Have you seen Furthur?
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:50 pm to
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Furthur?



Yes good show but I'm not a real big fan. The Dead without Jerry just isn't right. Would go again but there are a lot of other bands I would prefer to see.
Posted by Souljah
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:55 pm to
I've never seen them but have seen them all solo :Dark Star Orchestra, Phil Lesh, and Bob Weir (sit in with Gov't Mule). That being said I'll stick to Phish

Back to the topic. This is easily one of the most recognized musical symbols ever.
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:57 pm to
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That being said I'll stick to Phish



Ehhh I'd prefer Widespread Panic any day
Posted by beezylsu
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:02 pm to
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I just think you are waaaaaayyyyyy over estimating the influence and general popularity of jam bands. ETA: a cult following that can fill up a large field does not equate with overall popularity and influence.


THIS X1,000,000
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:10 pm to
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I'll bet you a thousand dollars that ABB, Creedence, Beach Boys and others would rate as high as The Dead


Have always said that dead fans overrated the appeal of the group. CCR was definitely more important by a long shot IMO.
Posted by Souljah
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:16 pm to
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I just think you are waaaaaayyyyyy over estimating the influence and general popularity of jam bands. ETA: a cult following that can fill up a large field does not equate with overall popularity and influence.


No.

The Grateful Dead (and other "jam bands") relied on live shows to be successful, a model many musical artists of all genres follow today because of limited album sales.
Posted by beezylsu
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:26 pm to
So bands that tour extensively and not rely heavily on album sales have the Grateful Dead to thank? I'm not really buying that.
Posted by danman6336
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Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:32 pm to
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Ehhh I'd prefer Widespread Panic any day
Meh, if you're into that I guess...
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