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re: When did the music lines start to split between black and white bands/groups?

Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:02 pm to
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:02 pm to
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Also, why do black kids these days never want to try and play some rock, funk or blues? It's rare to see, kinda sucks.




Alive and well in the hill country, the kids there are really good. Doesn't hurt that half of them are named Kimbrough or Burnside, but there are still kids growing up playing actual instruments. Just not as much demand for it.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:06 pm to
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why do black kids these days never want to try and play some rock, funk or blues?


Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:06 pm to
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75% of the rap audience in the US is white

Link?

Look it up. I first read this at least 10 years ago. It may even be higher now.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:07 pm to
It may shock some people, but a significant number of blacks do not enjoy the image of blacks that the rap culture promotes.
Posted by The Dudes Rug
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:08 pm to
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Sad,
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:09 pm to
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Seth Lover?


Posted by inadaze
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:16 pm to
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75% of the rap audience in the US is white


I would like to see a link on that.

To put some context around whatever the number is, 72% of the US population is white, according to the 2010 Census.

quote:

the largest group reported white alone (223.6 million), accounting for 72 percent of all people living in the United States.
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:18 pm to
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75% of the rap audience in the US is white


Well considering that of the approx 310 mil people in the U.S., 72.4% are white....Yea I would think so. It only makes sense that when the ratio is 4-1 white to black, there will be more white kids that like Rap nationwide then black kids. Way to pull a statistic and use it in the wrong context.

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It may shock some people, but a significant number of blacks do not enjoy the image of blacks that the rap culture promotes.


I wouldnt say "significant". I cant think of one black person that I know that listens to rock music instead of rap/r&b.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:23 pm to
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72% of the US population is white


OK Rex, by white I mean non-black

Blacks are about 13% of the population. Do you think rap would anywhere near as culturally prevalent as it is if they were the majority of its audience?

You have country acts trying to incorporate it into their sound. Why are they doing this? Because they want that rap audience.

Rap, not rock, is the sound of the younger generation.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:25 pm to
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Well considering that of the approx 310 mil people in the U.S., 72.4% are white....Yea I would think so. It only makes sense that when the ratio is 4-1 white to black, there will be more white kids that like Rap nationwide then black kids

Is 13% of the country audience black?
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:31 pm to
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OK Rex


I don't know what this means.

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Blacks are about 13% of the population. Do you think rap would anywhere near as culturally prevalent as it is if they were the majority of its audience?

You have country acts trying to incorporate it into their sound. Why are they doing this? Because they want that rap audience.

Rap, not rock, is the sound of the younger generation.



I agree with your overall sentiment.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:01 pm to
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OK Rex,


Whatever the hell this means...

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You have country acts trying to incorporate it into their sound. Why are they doing this? Because they want that rap audience.


That's because "Modern Country" IS pop music. They will come and go with the trend just like any pop music. That doesnt change the fact the rap music is associated with the black culture and rock music is associated with the white culture which was my original thesis response to the OP.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:06 pm to
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I wouldnt say "significant". I cant think of one black person that I know that listens to rock music instead of rap/r&b.


Well, I know quite a few. In fact, most of the rap fans that I know are cheesy white wannabes.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:11 pm to
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That doesnt change the fact the rap music is associated with the black culture


Yeah

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rock music is associated with the white culture which was my original thesis response to the OP.


No. Rock is rooted in blues and afro beats, as well as a strong jazz influence. These are all largely "black" roots.

Chuck Berry, anyone? How about Bad Brains? Living Colour?

They make rock music in Japan!?! Quaaaaaa?
Posted by TexasTiger1185
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:31 pm to
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No. Rock is rooted in blues and afro beats, as well as a strong jazz influence. These are all largely "black" roots.



Where it's rooted and who its associated with are two different things.

Go to a rock concert, who do you see as the majority of the audience?
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:33 pm to
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No. Rock is rooted in blues and afro beats, as well as a strong jazz influence. These are all largely "black" roots.


Please, spare me the rock history lesson. Of course it was derived from blues. We arent talking about the roots, we're talking about it's race association in music TODAY. When I say rock music, an image of what race of people immediately pops into your head? When I say rap music, an image of what race of people immediately pops into your head? Youre arguing for the sake of arguing.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:36 pm to
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When I say rap music, an image of what race of people immediately pops into your head?

If you know the rap audience, it should be a white image
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:41 pm to
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If you know the rap audience, it should be a white image


lol, ok.
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 2:42 pm
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:06 pm to
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When I say rock music, an image of what race of people immediately pops into your head?


Sorry, but a klan meeting does not pop into my head when you say "rock music."

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Youre arguing for the sake of arguing.


And you're not? Does your assumed racial bias of music somehow affect your daily life?
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 5:12 pm to
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You don't think he is talking about black and white race do you?


Is he not?
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