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"Two career" bands/artists
Posted on 10/31/17 at 8:53 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 8:53 am
What I mean is, name or discuss a band who had a solid legacy of work, then was on the verge of disappearing and/or imploding...then for whatever reason(s), instead of going away, they end up experiencing a career rebirth.
In some cases, it may have caused friction with the core fanbase, because the band's "second" career hardly resembled their "first" career.
Several bands come to mind, but the first two off the top of my head were/are Aerosmith and Chicago. Both bands reached a point where they were trending downward, but had they disbanded, they still probably would've cemented their status as iconic acts...but both bands roared back with several hit albums, giving their careers a new shot in the arm. (In the case of both bands, however, many long-time fans have grumbled about the live sets, because of the disparity between the "old" and "new" material.)
Any other acts fit the criteria? Before anyone answers, Van Halen doesn't count, because despite Sammy Hagar & a different musical direction, 1984 was a diamond-selling album, so the band was hardly in bad shape...
In some cases, it may have caused friction with the core fanbase, because the band's "second" career hardly resembled their "first" career.
Several bands come to mind, but the first two off the top of my head were/are Aerosmith and Chicago. Both bands reached a point where they were trending downward, but had they disbanded, they still probably would've cemented their status as iconic acts...but both bands roared back with several hit albums, giving their careers a new shot in the arm. (In the case of both bands, however, many long-time fans have grumbled about the live sets, because of the disparity between the "old" and "new" material.)
Any other acts fit the criteria? Before anyone answers, Van Halen doesn't count, because despite Sammy Hagar & a different musical direction, 1984 was a diamond-selling album, so the band was hardly in bad shape...
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:07 am to vandelay industries
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Van Halen doesn't count, because despite Sammy Hagar & a different musical direction, 1984 was a diamond-selling album, so the band was hardly in bad shape...
Frankly, this is bullshite.
First of all - most hardcore fans of VH (my best friend growing up would have fallen into this category - a fan of every single track, pre-1984 - his response to 1984 was "meh") didn't really care for 1984 to begin with, regardless of sales.
Secondly, the band drew a huge new following, with a different style of music for the Van Hagar era - I am somewhat unusual, in that I like both bands and actually consider them "different" bands - just as I do (at least old school) RATM and Audioslave.
They couldn't have lasted with David for that first run much longer, so there's that as well, regardless of how successful they were with 1984.
So, how about Fleetwood Mac? Not quite the same deal, but they were established and somewhat influential before the Buckingham Nicks era.
Sabbath with Dio? "Heaven and Hell" so to speak?
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 9:08 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:12 am to vandelay industries
The first two that came to mind were The Kinks and ZZ Top. I looked up their discography and I was wrong. Both had a continuity of albums, but for whatever reason, I had both having two careers. I guess both had a lull in popularity even though albums were being produced.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:13 am to Ace Midnight
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Frankly, this is bullshite. First of all, if you don't think "kinder, gentler" Aerosmith or "elevator music" Chicago were clearly different musical directions, brother you're crazy.
I figured this comment....
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In some cases, it may have caused friction with the core fanbase, because the band's "second" career hardly resembled their "first" career.
...kinda agrees with your comment?
I mentioned VH mostly because Hagar didn't step into a sinking ship, so their "new" career was pretty much just a continuation of their "old"...
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:17 am to vandelay industries
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I figured this comment....
Yeah, I thought I understood what you said, then reconsidered. Once I had that in there, I realized that we were in agreement, so I took it back out. That's some kind of decisiveness I showed there, right?
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I mentioned VH mostly because Hagar didn't step into a sinking ship
Not commercially, but the tension between David and the Van Halens, especially Eddie, was at a breaking point. Plus, 1984 was essentially the prologue for the Van Hagar era and had less in common with the classic DLR era, IMHO.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:21 am to AlxTgr
ZZ Top is a fair answer. I don't think it's unreasonable to say many of the millions of folks who bought Eliminator wouldn't have been a "typical" ZZ Top fan prior to it, and the clock might've been ticking on the band if it wasn't for that album...
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 9:28 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:26 am to Ace Midnight
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Not commercially, but the tension between David and the Van Halens, especially Eddie, was at a breaking point. Plus, 1984 was essentially the prologue for the Van Hagar era and had less in common with the classic DLR era, IMHO.
All true. I'm just saying that VH probably didn't have to make any "Hail Mary" decisions in regards to their career path 'tho...coming off the heels of their most successful album, they controlled their destiny, as dysfunctional as it was, lol....
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:27 am to vandelay industries
Skynyrd is the obvious answer
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:29 am to vandelay industries
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I'm just saying that VH probably didn't have to make any "Hail Mary" decisions in regards to their career path
I don't know - I think they stuck in their thumbs and pulled out a plum. You know that Patty Smyth ("I am the warrior!") was Eddie's first choice, right?
Thankfully, she realized that wasn't a very good idea. Their decisionmaking was questionable again with Gary ("More than words") Cherone, wouldn't you agree? They were fricking lucky to get Sammy when they did (and only because Sammy and Eddie used the same German mechanic for their exotic cars).
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:30 am to vandelay industries
Aerosmith
Beach Boys
Beach Boys
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:30 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Yes.
how about Fleetwood Mac?
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:31 am to vandelay industries
Smashing Pumpkins
A Perfect Circle
A Perfect Circle
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:32 am to vandelay industries
What about the Allman Brothers? Although they never completely went away, they faded out in the 80's following their heyday in the late 60's & 70's. Then they had a resurgence in the 90's and aughts right up through to Haynes' & Trucks' departure in 2014.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:32 am to MountainTiger
Motley Crue?
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:43 am to vandelay industries
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don't think it's unreasonable to say many of the millions of folks who bought Eliminator wouldn't have been a "typical" ZZ Top fan prior to it, and the clock might've been ticking on the band if it wasn't for that album...
I agree with this. Prior to Eliminator, ZZ Top was heavily blues based hard rock, 1 part Rolling Stones, 1 part Dr. John, 1 part AC/DC. Eliminator still sounded like ZZ Top, but was polished. Without looking, you might have thought that Mutt Lange took over production, but, no, it was still Bill Ham.
What's crazy is that Ham took a break from those ZZ Top records in the '70s to produce Freddy Fender and Kinky Friedman. Just bizarre change of pace from Top records.
But, he clearly had been influenced by the early Glam and Hair metal, at least production techniques, including Lange's influence on the genre.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:46 am to Ace Midnight
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I don't know - I think they stuck in their thumbs and pulled out a plum. You know that Patty Smyth ("I am the warrior!") was Eddie's first choice, right? Thankfully, she realized that wasn't a very good idea. Their decisionmaking was questionable again with Gary ("More than words") Cherone, wouldn't you agree? They were fricking lucky to get Sammy when they did (and only because Sammy and Eddie used the same German mechanic for their exotic cars).
No arguments with any of that. They were fortunate to get Hagar I suppose, but at the same time, VH were in a position where Eddie would've gotten his way if he went with Patty Smyth, as ridiculous an idea it may have been lol...
And as eye-raising a choice it may have been to go with Cherone, it didn't help that the material on VHIII was pretty dreadful. I remember many people second-guessed Hagar too, but that went away after people heard 5150...if Cherone wasn't handed such a steaming pile of material to work with, who knows. If I remember, he pretty much submitted to Eddie & let him fully steer the ship, so Cherone gets a pass IMO.
So much for excluding Van Halen in the OP
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:49 am to vandelay industries
AC/DC. After Bon's death no one expected a thing from them anymore.
Then 'Back in Black' was released...
Then 'Back in Black' was released...
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:53 am to MountainTiger
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What about the Allman Brothers? Although they never completely went away, they faded out in the 80's following their heyday in the late 60's & 70's. Then they had a resurgence in the 90's and aughts right up through to Haynes' & Trucks' departure in 2014.
As a touring act, I can agree with that. I've seen 'em a few times in the 90's & 00's, and they played alot of the same-sized venues as many of the so-called established commercial acts were, which admittedly I wouldn't have thought to be possible at one point...
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:53 am to Telecaster
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Then 'Back in Black' was released...
Speak of the devil - we just had the George Young tributes on his passing a few days back - Robert John "Mutt" Lange took over from Vanda and Young for producing AC/DC albums beginning with Highway to Hell and continuing through For Those About To Rock.
Dude was crazy to leave Shania, but a fantastic producer.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:55 am to MountainTiger
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What about the Allman Brothers?
The ABB survived those tragedies, particularly Skydog, but it's hard to say they ever thrived again.
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Then they had a resurgence in the 90's and aughts right up through to Haynes' & Trucks' departure in 2014.
Fair enough - they still had commercial value as a touring act, but I don't think that's what the OP is talking about.
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