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Tubes are going bad in my amp

Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:02 am
Posted by The Dunder Mifflin
Member since Mar 2018
924 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:02 am
I do not have any experience or knowledge with tubes in amps. My Egnater Rebel 30 sound is not clear and very low, so I assuming the tubes are bad and need to be replaced. I have a Blend Knob on my amp where I could blend two sets of different tubes, so what are two good tubes I should get to replace them and where to get them from?
Are all tubes universal or certain tubes only fit in certain amps?
Is this project easy enough for someone to do themselves if they never changed them out before?
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1383 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:44 am to
I just pulled the manual online and it says you need:
Preamp: Five 12AX7 tubes
Power amp: Two EL84s and two 6V6s

If you can change light bulbs, you can change tubes. Preamp tubes have a specific pin alignment and socket hole layout and because of that it's rare that you can install them incorrectly. Same goes for 84s and 6V6s. In the case of the latter, there is a guide pin on the middle black tab that can only be installed in the socket one way.

In most amps, you have to set the bias (like a car engine's timing/idle) to match a new set of power tubes to the amp, but the Egnater manual indicates it's fixed bias and that any re-bias you can do is not necessarily needed. And from my experience, re-bias isn't critical anyway in low-wattage, lower volume EL84 and 6V6 platforms.

You can buy pre-packaged tube sets from reputable companies like TheTubeStore.com, dougstubes.com, eurotubes ... I've done business with all three and was pleased with their knowledge and products and my experiences. Popular tube brands, like Tung-Sol, Ruby, Groove Tubes, Mullard, Electro-Harmonix, Sovtek ... you can spend a year researching and reading opinions online and not walk away any more enlightened. If all else fails, find out what tubes Bruce Egnater used designing the amp, or what brands the amps currently ship with from the factory. He/they surely used modern, readily available tubes.

If you want to support a local musical instrument small business, reach out to Kenny at Red Stick Guitar and Amp. He can likely build you a custom tube set from his shop stock that will do the trick just fine. And if the amp happens to need or could benefit from a re-bias, he's the guy to do that for you. Tell him Jeff from The Fret Shack sent you.
Posted by BadMrK
Addis, La
Member since Dec 2016
148 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:40 am to
I just picked up a 78 vibro champ a few weeks ago. I brought it over to Kenny at redstick to go through as soon as it was in my possession. He did an excellent job, I highly recommend him.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35690 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:48 am to
This reminds me-

I think the preamp tube in my Marshall is failing - clean and crunch channels sound like the amp is covered with a sandpaper pillow while underwater. I thought my instrument cable was shot, (because when I wiggle it in the input jack, it tries to correct) but amp sounds the same with a new cable.

Don't know if its the jack itself or the pre amp tube.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35690 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:55 am to
Know anyone in Houston you recommend?
It's a JCM900 dual reverb 4100.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:54 am to
quote:

Is this project easy enough for someone to do themselves if they never changed them out before?


Super easy, and almost completely idiot proof.

TheFretShack explained thoroughly.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14971 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

I think the preamp tube in my Marshall is failing - clean and crunch channels sound like the amp is covered with a sandpaper pillow while underwater. I thought my instrument cable was shot, (because when I wiggle it in the input jack, it tries to correct) but amp sounds the same with a new cable.

Sounds more like the jack is the problem but it should be easy enough to try another 12AX7 to see if the problem goes away. Also maybe try wiggling the jack with no guitar plugged into it. If it makes a bunch of noise, it's probably a bad solder joint. If the jack itself is dirty some contact cleaner and a nylon bristle brush should do the trick. Make sure the nut that holds the jack on is good and tight.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 12:34 pm
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35690 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:59 pm to
Jiggling empty jack makes static and deep hum.

Tried contact cleaner, worked like a champ on the noisy pots but natta on the jack. Will remove back cover and check the solder.
Posted by Kcprogguitar
Kansas City
Member since Oct 2014
944 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:25 pm to
Be careful what you touch. You could die.

That’s not a joke.
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