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The older I get, the more I appreciate Ringo Starr's drumming.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:18 pm
Turns out he was perfect for the group, and had one of most recognizable drumming styles.
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Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:19 pm to haikarate
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:58 pm to haikarate
I saw an interview with Paul the other day (who was not terrible on the drums, himself) and he complimented Ringo's timekeeping -
"Most drummers speed up. Ringo never did or he almost never did."
I always thought there was a loose, sloppy feel to a lot of the tracks, particularly as I studied music in high school. On the other hand, WTF did I as a punk kid know? I've seen enough now to know that was Ringo's intentional style, to be loose and hip and not so rigid.
I'm in the same boat as you on the getting older thing - didn't think much of Ringo as a drummer growing up (we did hold out Bonham and Peart as the gold standards back then), but he was perfect for the Beatles.
And better than most give him credit for.
"Most drummers speed up. Ringo never did or he almost never did."
I always thought there was a loose, sloppy feel to a lot of the tracks, particularly as I studied music in high school. On the other hand, WTF did I as a punk kid know? I've seen enough now to know that was Ringo's intentional style, to be loose and hip and not so rigid.
I'm in the same boat as you on the getting older thing - didn't think much of Ringo as a drummer growing up (we did hold out Bonham and Peart as the gold standards back then), but he was perfect for the Beatles.
And better than most give him credit for.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:27 pm to haikarate
Perfect for the group. I think he was okay with some really good ones here and there. As Kafka posted, Rain always shines through.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 11:16 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
"Most drummers speed up. Ringo never did or he almost never did."
Depending on which story you believe, they got rid of drummer Pete Best and replaced him with Ringo due to problems with his timing when they did their first studio work. In 1995 Best had been working almost 20 years as a mail man when he received a call from Paul, the first time they had spoke since the day he was canned in 1962. The Beatles Anthology I CD had been released which featured a couple of the songs recorded with Best on drums, Paul told him he had some royalty money coming, $4 million pounds.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 8:36 am to EA6B
Yea, his timing is spot on.
Two of the better and most under-rated drummers during the early stages of rock n roll were Starr and Watts.
Nothing fancy just both spot on metronomes.
Two of the better and most under-rated drummers during the early stages of rock n roll were Starr and Watts.
Nothing fancy just both spot on metronomes.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 9:15 am to haikarate
Its even more impressive when you consider the massive amounts of hallucinogens he was on.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 10:53 am to Kafka
quote:
The Beatles - "Rain"
i love that video clip...lennon lip syncing to the backwards vocals
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:57 pm to hogcard1964
quote:
Nothing fancy just both spot on metronomes.
They were from the era where the rhythm section was there to provide the foundation for the music. There was a saying back in the day about bass guitar that "it should be heard, but not listened to", I think they had the same philosophy about drumming which was not a bad concept.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:21 pm to haikarate
Familiarity has bred love for his drumming for me - but it's still bizarre at times.
What sucks is the drum production. On "In My Life", I believe the drums are all on one side. Just weird.
What sucks is the drum production. On "In My Life", I believe the drums are all on one side. Just weird.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
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What sucks is the drum production. On "In My Life", I believe the drums are all on one side. Just weird.
George Martin had some unusual ideas about production, and drums generally. He was slow to come around to stereo micing, and I think that the original Beatles master recordings all suffer to a degree because of this quirkiness. However, I do think that overall he added value in the way they crafted songs - it was revolutionary (alongside what Brian Wilson was doing in the U.S.) and influenced/changed everything about the production of popular music.
So, I guess it is a net positive, but you're spot on for this point.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:15 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I assume you've read a lot about the argument that THE driving force for creation in the 60s was the de facto Wilson vs McCartney competition? Great stuff.
alongside what Brian Wilson was doing in the U.S
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:40 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I assume you've read a lot about the argument that THE driving force for creation in the 60s was the de facto Wilson vs McCartney competition?
Certainly - but Wilson was doing everything for the Beach Boys - composition, arrangement, production, engineering - he was a machine. And everyone was following his lead, McCartney and Martin included.
This "arms" race would define pop/rock music well into the 1990s. Everyone from Glyn Johns to Mutt Lange were in the wake of Wilson and Martin/McCartney.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 3:25 pm to Ace Midnight
My favorite story is still of Wilson's obsession with Phil Spector.
Posted on 10/5/18 at 6:19 am to haikarate
A Day In The Life has a great drum part.
Speaking of The Beach Boys, they had Ringo come on stage and play with them at a concert once. They had him play Back In The USSR, a song he did not play drums on.
Speaking of The Beach Boys, they had Ringo come on stage and play with them at a concert once. They had him play Back In The USSR, a song he did not play drums on.
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:06 am to haikarate
Ringo’s drumming is a testament to Utility being > technical virtuosity.. Levon helm is another drummer that comes to mind.
Posted on 10/5/18 at 5:19 pm to hogcard1964
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Watts.
Mick Jagger once said "Except for Charlie Watts, white drummers don't swing".
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:42 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Ringo was a lefty, and forcibly tried to keep time. He was always a milisecond off.
Pivotal to the Beatles sound.
Before your befuddlement ensues, he didn't play like a lefty but a righty
(hence his slight 'offness' which made their sound wider or fuller).
Pivotal to the Beatles sound.
Before your befuddlement ensues, he didn't play like a lefty but a righty
(hence his slight 'offness' which made their sound wider or fuller).
This post was edited on 10/5/18 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:49 pm to Dandy Lion
Pete Best was a shite drummer, that's why he was dumped.
He knew the sound, but couldn't handle certain syncopations.
That said, it's not like Ringo is a drum god, they were quite similar. Quite. McCartney said so. Lennon and Harrison were dead, when McCartney said this.
He knew the sound, but couldn't handle certain syncopations.
That said, it's not like Ringo is a drum god, they were quite similar. Quite. McCartney said so. Lennon and Harrison were dead, when McCartney said this.
This post was edited on 10/5/18 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:11 am to Dandy Lion
It's been said that Ringo was the second best drummer in The Beatles behind Macca.
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