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re: Talking about hate, what is the cause for Nickleback hate?
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I agree.
Nickleback is sugary rock/pop and there are some worse, many better than them. It's just the fad to bash them these days.
I remember being the same way when I was young. Feeling like I was being so nonconformist, by parroting the opinions of all my "nonconformist" friends.
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Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
The "Nicleback and Creed suck" hipster theem has become quite the fad.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:29 pm to Roaad
quote:
I remember being the same way when I was young. Feeling like I was being so nonconformist, by parroting the opinions of all my "nonconformist" friends.
It's like the girl who has the "nonconformist" bumper sticker on her car because everyone had one.
I don't know how the hell anyone could get Creed and Nickleback mixed up though.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 2:31 pm to TigerTatorTots
It's like a sanitized Disney-esque interpretation of Hard Rock, which actually makes it commercially successful but critically-dismissed Pop Rock.
Pop Rock will sell, but it doesn't rebel.
True, there are rasping-sounding loud vocals & some guitar distortion, but inside all the power ballads (targeted to appeal to 15 y/o girls with enough money for one CD) are gimmicky melodies & substance-less lyrics that could have easily been re-worked as edgy-less pop hits or pop/country hits for Miley Cyrus, Colbie Callait or Danny Gokey. That's the problem in this post-grunge era where almost all the rock, pop, acoustic, and r&b stars/songs of the current Top 40 are basically all interchangeable if they had a different producer from a different music genre.
But because Nickelback chose the "Hard Rock" genre and not pop/country or pop/r&b, they will get compared to true Hard Rock bands. That's when the hammer falls on their cookie-cutter melodies & un-aggressive/un-complex/un-rebellious lyrics. That's when they get exposed as commercial-Rock-posers who have no blues, rage, or dark-side.
Where's the rage in this:
Look at this photograph
Everytime I do it makes me laugh
How did our eyes get so red
And what the hell is on Joey's head
(It's not hard to imagine these are the lyrics from a Taylor Swift song, right? Or would you think this is Metallica material?)
Where's the blues in this:
I want a brand new house
On an episode of Cribs
And a bathroom I can play baseball in
And a king size tub big enough
For ten plus me
(Couldn't this easily be the lyrics from an auto-tuned T-Pain song or a Rascal Flatts hit? Or would you confuse it with the blues of Led Zeppelin or AC/DC?)
Where's the dark-side in this:
It's not like you to say sorry
I was waiting on a different story
This time I'm mistaken
for handing you a heart worth breaking
and I've been wrong, i've been down,
been to the bottom of every bottle
these five words in my head
scream "are we having fun yet?"
(It's more Keith Urban than it is Black Sabbath, wouldn't you agree?)
As Pop hits, they are relevantly nonabrasive catchy commercial tunes. But purposely disguising the sugary sentimentality & the gleeful pleasantness of Nickelback's songs as "Hard Rock" deserves the same warranted backlash that Vanilla Ice got for posing as a Gangsta.
Hope this helps.
Pop Rock will sell, but it doesn't rebel.
True, there are rasping-sounding loud vocals & some guitar distortion, but inside all the power ballads (targeted to appeal to 15 y/o girls with enough money for one CD) are gimmicky melodies & substance-less lyrics that could have easily been re-worked as edgy-less pop hits or pop/country hits for Miley Cyrus, Colbie Callait or Danny Gokey. That's the problem in this post-grunge era where almost all the rock, pop, acoustic, and r&b stars/songs of the current Top 40 are basically all interchangeable if they had a different producer from a different music genre.
But because Nickelback chose the "Hard Rock" genre and not pop/country or pop/r&b, they will get compared to true Hard Rock bands. That's when the hammer falls on their cookie-cutter melodies & un-aggressive/un-complex/un-rebellious lyrics. That's when they get exposed as commercial-Rock-posers who have no blues, rage, or dark-side.
Where's the rage in this:
Look at this photograph
Everytime I do it makes me laugh
How did our eyes get so red
And what the hell is on Joey's head
(It's not hard to imagine these are the lyrics from a Taylor Swift song, right? Or would you think this is Metallica material?)
Where's the blues in this:
I want a brand new house
On an episode of Cribs
And a bathroom I can play baseball in
And a king size tub big enough
For ten plus me
(Couldn't this easily be the lyrics from an auto-tuned T-Pain song or a Rascal Flatts hit? Or would you confuse it with the blues of Led Zeppelin or AC/DC?)
Where's the dark-side in this:
It's not like you to say sorry
I was waiting on a different story
This time I'm mistaken
for handing you a heart worth breaking
and I've been wrong, i've been down,
been to the bottom of every bottle
these five words in my head
scream "are we having fun yet?"
(It's more Keith Urban than it is Black Sabbath, wouldn't you agree?)
As Pop hits, they are relevantly nonabrasive catchy commercial tunes. But purposely disguising the sugary sentimentality & the gleeful pleasantness of Nickelback's songs as "Hard Rock" deserves the same warranted backlash that Vanilla Ice got for posing as a Gangsta.
Hope this helps.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 2:45 pm to LSUFreek
Seems like you are nitpicking. You mean you can't find substantive lyrics or "rebellious" themes in Nickelback's music?
Posted on 4/8/12 at 2:51 pm to LSUFreek
quote:Who sees them as that?
Hard Rock
I have always looked at them as a Rock and Roll band.
ETA: it just reminds me of people who shite on Hootie, comparing them to other contemporary bands of the day. Well, the contemporary music was Seattle Grunge, and they were just regular rock and roll.
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 4/8/12 at 3:02 pm to Roaad
There have always been bands that were dissed for similar music. Sweet was "glam rock" and drilled for their lack of passionate rock back in the 70's.
I don't know who assigns labels, I am guessing record companies and their PR arms do most of the work but Nickleback seems to be lost somewhere between pop and rock to me. Their music isn't any worse than this.
I do have a difficult time believing that Nickleback is good rock music, just think the extreme hate is sometimes misplaced. There is much much worse music out there.
I don't know who assigns labels, I am guessing record companies and their PR arms do most of the work but Nickleback seems to be lost somewhere between pop and rock to me. Their music isn't any worse than this.
I do have a difficult time believing that Nickleback is good rock music, just think the extreme hate is sometimes misplaced. There is much much worse music out there.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 3:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I think it is regular Rock.
I do have a difficult time believing that Nickleback is good rock music, just think the extreme hate is sometimes misplaced.
Another similarity is with Bon Jovi. They were constantly railed for being too poppy or chick rock.
They were being compared to hair bands and heavy metal standards.
I don't think anything Nickelback does is any different from, say, Van Halen's "Jump" or "Poundcake"
. . .or anything Aerosmith has done since Pump.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 3:37 pm to Roaad
quote:
I don't think anything Nickelback does is any different from, say, Van Halen's "Jump" or "Poundcake"
I don't know man, the Nickleback I have heard is pretty sugary stuff. I believe it to be pop disguised as rock. I never cared for poppy Bon Jovi either.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 3:41 pm to Roaad
Listen, I've dismissed a lot of the Hair bands of the 80's for the same substance-less lyrics or un-melodic dime-a-dozen speed-shredding guitar solos.
There's nothing lyrically profound in Warrant's:
"She's my cherry pie
Cool drink of water such a sweet surprise
Tastes so good make a grown man cry
Sweet cherry pie, oh yeah"
or in Quiet Riot's:
"Come on feel the noise
Girls rock your boys
We'll get wild, wild, wild!
Wild, wild, wild!"
But at least Warrant, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Van Halen, etc... attempted to capture Rock N Roll themes of Sex (mostly), Drugs, & Rebellion.
Nickelback doesn't even try. Instead they are signing anthems for broken-hearted women, or sorority slumber-party nostalgia, or chaperoned party-rock. Then they wrap it up in loud raspy vocals & guitar distortion and sell it is Rock N Roll when it is the same pop themes & familiar pop melodies that has helped Miley Cyrus sell millions. Nothing wrong with Miley Cyrus if you are into that, but she at least knows her place.
Dude, just admit you love pure Pop more than true Rock. There's nothing shameful in that. There are different sounds for everybody. But don't tell me that Nickelback is Rock N Roll. I know what RnR sounds like.
There's nothing lyrically profound in Warrant's:
"She's my cherry pie
Cool drink of water such a sweet surprise
Tastes so good make a grown man cry
Sweet cherry pie, oh yeah"
or in Quiet Riot's:
"Come on feel the noise
Girls rock your boys
We'll get wild, wild, wild!
Wild, wild, wild!"
But at least Warrant, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Van Halen, etc... attempted to capture Rock N Roll themes of Sex (mostly), Drugs, & Rebellion.
Nickelback doesn't even try. Instead they are signing anthems for broken-hearted women, or sorority slumber-party nostalgia, or chaperoned party-rock. Then they wrap it up in loud raspy vocals & guitar distortion and sell it is Rock N Roll when it is the same pop themes & familiar pop melodies that has helped Miley Cyrus sell millions. Nothing wrong with Miley Cyrus if you are into that, but she at least knows her place.
Dude, just admit you love pure Pop more than true Rock. There's nothing shameful in that. There are different sounds for everybody. But don't tell me that Nickelback is Rock N Roll. I know what RnR sounds like.
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 4/8/12 at 3:55 pm to TigerTatorTots
uninspiring lyrics, repetitive rhythmic patterns across all of their music, simple chord structure that remains constant throughout ALL of their music, general douchiness, being lamer than Carlton Banks...,
Posted on 4/8/12 at 4:25 pm to LSUFreek
quote:So you are saying that they don't try to be something they are not, and that is bad?
Nickelback doesn't even try.
I don't get that.
Are you saying you hate them for not conforming to a concept you have developed, regarding what their music should be?
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 4/8/12 at 4:35 pm to LSUFreek
quote:Are you fricking kidding me?
Dude, just admit you love pure Pop more than true Rock
I am not a big fan of theirs. I am only commenting on the abject hatred they get from people such as yourself.
Just admit that you hate Nickelback because Rolling Stone Magazine (or some such) told you to. . .
I appreciate all genres of music. I am a music fan.
There are pop acts that I like. There are rock acts that I like. There are metal acts I like. There are rap acts that I like. There are R&B acts that I like. There are crossover acts that I like. There are country acts that I like. There are punk acts I like.
I have trouble getting into industrial and zydeco, but I appreciate them as artforms.
The only bands I would ever say "suck" are bands that are fundamentally bad at what they do. . .an example would be Al B. Sure, as he is a singer, that can't sing.
Nickelback does generic rock music. Nothing wrong with that.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 5:26 pm to Roaad
quote:
So you are saying that they don't try to be something they are not, and that is bad?
I'm saying that when I want to listen to Pop R&B, I will listen to Michael Jackson & Prince. But when Justin Bieber fans say he is a comparable talent in the genre, I will smack them down hard.
When I want to listen to a Reggae artist, I will listen to Bob Marley, & not confuse him with the multi-platinum selling fake-reggae star Shaggy.
When I want to hear a Heavy Metal band, I will listen to Black Sabbath or Hendrix, not confuse them with Vanilla Fudge.
When I want to listen to Opera, I will listen to Pavarotti, not pretend El Divo has a 10th of his skill even if El Divo sell more records.
When I want to listen to gansta rap, I will listen to NWA, and not Vanilla Ice commercial dance shite with fake-arse hard lyrics.
When I want to listen to Hip-Pop, I will listen to Kanye or Lil Wayne, not Black-Eyed Peas.
When I want to hear a progressive rock band, I will listen to Rush, and not U2.
When I want to hear a female rock voice, I will listen to Janis or Heart, not Sheryl Crowe.
When I want to listen to acoustic folk rock, I will listen to Dylan, not Jason Mraz.
When I want to listen to soulful R&B, I will listen to Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, or Gladys Knight, not Keith Sweat or Al B Sure.
When I want to listen to funk, I will listen to James Brown or Parlaiment, not Erykah Badu.
When I want to listen to Rock N Roll, I will listen to Led Zeppelin, not Nickelback.
Point is, there are genre's that are defined by a sound. And when you try the same sound, fair or not, you enter that genre, and thus are compared to the other successful artists that defined the genre's sound. Nickelback tries to sound like rock, but really it is estrogen-driven lyrics and melodies that emasculate you with every chorus. Say bye-bye to your balls.
And btw, no one had tell me why I didn't like Nickelback. I didn't read the critical reviews to influence my opinion. I didn't even know why I never cared for them until today when I analyzed them and put it down in writing. I just knew they always sounded like shite compared to other rock bands.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 5:26 pm to Roaad
Anyone else getting the impression Rooad has no idea about music? 
Posted on 4/8/12 at 5:33 pm to beezylsu
quote:
Anyone else getting the impression Rooad has no idea about music?
Rooad is a worthy poster. That is the only reason I'm trying to assist him via this musical intervention.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 5:35 pm to LSUFreek
Fair enough but he needs an A&E type intervention for his posts in this thread
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:04 pm to beezylsu
some of you guys seem way too concerned about someone else's opinion 
Posted on 4/8/12 at 9:33 pm to LSUFreek
quote:You are missing the point.
I'm saying that when I want to listen to Pop R&B, I will listen to Michael Jackson & Prince. But when Justin Bieber fans say he is a comparable talent in the genre, I will smack them down hard.
When I want to listen to a Reggae artist, I will listen to Bob Marley, & not confuse him with the multi-platinum selling fake-reggae star Shaggy.
When I want to hear a Heavy Metal band, I will listen to Black Sabbath or Hendrix, not confuse them with Vanilla Fudge.
When I want to listen to Opera, I will listen to Pavarotti, not pretend El Divo has a 10th of his skill even if El Divo sell more records.
When I want to listen to gansta rap, I will listen to NWA, and not Vanilla Ice commercial dance shite with fake-arse hard lyrics.
When I want to listen to Hip-Pop, I will listen to Kanye or Lil Wayne, not Black-Eyed Peas.
When I want to hear a progressive rock band, I will listen to Rush, and not U2.
When I want to hear a female rock voice, I will listen to Janis or Heart, not Sheryl Crowe.
When I want to listen to acoustic folk rock, I will listen to Dylan, not Jason Mraz.
When I want to listen to soulful R&B, I will listen to Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, or Gladys Knight, not Keith Sweat or Al B Sure.
When I want to listen to funk, I will listen to James Brown or Parlaiment, not Erykah Badu.
When I want to listen to Rock N Roll, I will listen to Led Zeppelin, not Nickelback.
I am not saying you should like them. You are the only determinant in what you like on an individual level. My point is the abject hate and disdain they recieve.
I am not a big fan of theirs. But they are clearly a rock and roll band, by definition. Estrogen-driven lyrics are as much a part of rock and roll as testosterone-driven lyrics.
Hell, Rock was founded on estrogen-driven lyrics with Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy Holly, and the Beatles.
Rock is about fun, first and foremost. Past that, it is about fricking. All "rebellious roots" we attribute to rock were a derivative of those 2 precepts.
Sometime around the 60's musicians began to take themselves, and their art more seriously. . .and most would argue that they began to overvalue their contribution to pop culture.
I don't think Nickelback takes anything away from the artform, and has added somethings to it.
Love it or hate it, I have stated that "Rockstar" is thematically very similar to "I Want My MTV", which says something.
They are not groundbreaking.
But your grievance seems to be that they are "trying" to be something they are not.
I disagree completely. Nickelback is just a regular rock and roll band that plays music to get laid. That is all they are. They are EXACTLY what they are trying to be, in it's purest form. Are they Black Sabbath, the White Stripes, or Zeppelin? Absolutely not. But that's cool, because they aren't trying to be.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 9:37 pm to beezylsu
quote:I know a great deal about music. I also understand trendiness in criticisms.
Anyone else getting the impression Rooad has no idea about music?
I think it is funny how mad people get when you challenge an accepted meme, which is what this is. . .
People get mad as hell, and confused at the audacity. You are like the guys on Idiocracy who just can't understand why I haven't accepted that you water plants with Brawndo, because it has electrolytes.
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