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re: Talking about hate, what is the cause for Nickleback hate?
Posted on 4/6/12 at 8:29 am to TigerTatorTots
Posted on 4/6/12 at 8:29 am to TigerTatorTots
Since Creed is no longer together, these guys now carry the torch for the desecration of modern rock as we know it.
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Posted on 4/6/12 at 8:34 am to GrizzlePickle
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No complexity. No "genuine" thought. No need for talent. Simply playing what the masses want to hear.
If that's your honest evaluation of the Beatles i don't know what to say to you.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 8:37 am to GrizzlePickle
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The Beatles made gajillions off of America by doing exactly what Nickleback is doing now. They figured out how to connect with normal, stupid Americans by making and remaking the same dumb songs over and over again. They changed just enough with the times to keep people interested, but without having to form any greater skill.
No complexity. No "genuine" thought. No need for talent. Simply playing what the masses want to hear.
Wow. So much fail in this post. I agree with your evaluation of Nickleback, but the Beatles....seriously?
The Beatles had no genuine thought or complexity?
Yeah, I guess revolutionizing rock n roll and pop music forever wasn't enough for you.
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 8:38 am
Posted on 4/6/12 at 8:45 am to ItNeverRains
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Since Creed is no longer together, these guys now carry the torch for the desecration of modern rock as we know it.
Very Well Put
Posted on 4/6/12 at 9:42 am to Breesus
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by making and remaking the same dumb songs over and over again.
Someones never heard The White Album. That record is all over the place.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 11:49 am to GrizzlePickle
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The Beatles made gajillions off of America by doing exactly what Nickleback is doing now. They figured out how to connect with normal, stupid Americans by making and remaking the same dumb songs over and over again. They changed just enough with the times to keep people interested, but without having to form any greater skill. No complexity. No "genuine" thought. No need for talent. Simply playing what the masses want to hear.
What?? Ok, Let's compare a few hits off of each band's album and see which one has no complexity or genuine thought....
Most popular songs From The Beatles White Album:
While my Guitar Gently Weeps
Back in the USSR
Blackbird
Ok let's look at Nickelback's amazing record, All the Right Reasons
Photograph
Rockstar
Savin' Me
How can you make one album, much less 4 or 5 and they all sound the same? If there is one thing The Beatles did do was grow and change as a band through their albums. Nickelback is a classic example of a rock band who does absolutely nothing but the bare minimum and gets away with it. It's lazy and pathetic.
Just for fun here's some more popular songs from the Beatles St. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band:
Within You without you
Lucy in the sky
Let's see what kind of diverse shite Nickelback is cooking up on their Darkhorse Album
If today was your last day
Gotta Be Somebody
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/6/12 at 11:55 am to GrizzlePickle
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They figured out how to connect with normal, stupid Americans by making and remaking the same dumb songs over and over again. They changed just enough with the times to keep people interested, but without having to form any greater skill.
No complexity. No "genuine" thought. No need for talent. Simply playing what the masses want to hear.
Wow, just wow.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
honestly. they aren't my favorite band obviously, but they have one good song i believe. This song aint bad
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:17 pm to TigerTatorTots
This is how you remind me was their best song. I'll admit that I bought the album in 7th grade
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:59 pm to MStant1
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but the Beatles....seriously?
Yep... Way overrated IMO
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The Beatles had no genuine thought or complexity?
I was definitely drunk and reaching when I typed that last night. However, IMHO I feel the Beatles are WAYYYYY overrated. They did have a few gems in their catalog such as "Eleanor Rigby", "While my Guitar Gently Weeps", and "A Day In the Life", but mostly, I don't feel their music was all that complex musically or lyrically. I feel that what complexity they did have came primarily from George Martin (their producer). Without him and the massive marketing machine that surrounded them, they may not have ever climbed out of obscurity to be able to write the kind of music they did later. Also, the fact that they were a studio band that did not perform live concerts past their early years suggests to me that they had plenty of time to contemplate their music. And despite doing just that, I feel it could've and should've been better.
On the subject of their "genuine" thoughts... In the early years, there wasn't much in the way of anything genuine. Toward the later years, given more leeway by their label, they did experiment... poorly. Other bands of their era, like the Stones, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, et al, were much more effective and listenable with their experimentation. Also, it seemed that their music got worse depending on how much of an LSD/weed haze hung over it.
As far as talent goes... George Harrison was easily the most talented member, musician, and songwriter in the group, but we was a poor improvisational guitarist. Ringo sucked. Paul and John were good (not great) singers, songwriters, and musicians at best.
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Yeah, I guess revolutionizing rock n roll and pop music forever wasn't enough for you.
The only revolutionary accomplishments they provided IMO were writing their own music (and getting their label to sign off on it), and perfecting the mass media marketing machine. Both of these would have happened regardless by somebody else if the Beatles never came about. In the case of the latter, they didn't invent it; it was already in place for the likes of Sinatra and Elvis (who were both genuinely awesome). They simply perfected it and made themselves ubiquitous.
By the way, I do own all of their albums on vinyl and mp3 (ripped from cd's). I do listen to the Beatles. I do respect the Beatles as being one of the most popular bands of their time. I just don't subscribe to the overwhelming school of thought that they were the greatest band ever.I feel that they sold their albums the same way the Nicklebacks, Brittneys, Beibers, and Minaj's of today do... Via appealing to the masses that will buy into any hype that's thrown at them. I feel that they were good for what I see them as; a better than average pop-rock band.
The great thing about music is the subjectivity of it. To each his own.
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 4/6/12 at 1:08 pm to GrizzlePickle
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The great thing about music is the subjectivity of it. To each his own.
Agree. Nickleback is a sugary rock/pop band and there is much worse out there. The bashing has become the popular thing to do, so people do it. Overrating the Beatles seems to be very popular as well IMO.
Subjective stuff means it will be different to everyone and neither The Beatles or Nicleback are my thing, and both are either overrated/overstated IMO. One is overrated, one is overstated as "the worst.
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 4/6/12 at 1:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Overrating the Beatles seems to be very popular as well IMO.
exactly, when ever something gets so much praise and adulation the hyperbole gets out of hand and it lead to blow back.
As far as the technical profiencey, I'm with Baloo. So fricking what. Rock n Roll comes from the blues, both are music of and by the "masses". The whole point of a lot of it is accessability. If you want technical profiency, listen to Jazz, or orchestra music. I don't care if Yngewie Malmsteen is a better guitarist than George Harrison or Kieth Richards.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 1:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
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As far as the technical profiencey, I'm with Baloo. So fricking what. Rock n Roll comes from the blues, both are music of and by the "masses". The whole point of a lot of it is accessability. If you want technical profiency, listen to Jazz, or orchestra music. I don't care if Yngewie Malmsteen is a better guitarist than George Harrison or Kieth Richards.
Yep, Rock n Roll (IMO) was meant to be rude, a little crude and loud. I can appreciate proficiency and can appreciate historical relevance, but it doesn't make them a better band to me, necessarily.
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 4/6/12 at 1:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I can appreciate proficiency and can appreciate historical relevance, but it doesn't make them a better band to me, necessarily.
yeah, I agree. I don't mean to dog on Yngwie, it doesn't really matter to me if he ranks higher on some list than some other guitarist, I'm not teaching a music class.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 8:59 pm to TigerTatorTots
quote:It's is hate as in "hater" hate. I'm no Nickelback nut, but some of there songs are hardcore rock. I've seen them twice in concert and they put on a hell of a show.
what is the cause for Nickleback hate?
No way everyone thinks they suck. They have sold like 60 million albums.
Haters gonna hate.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:18 pm to Sublime
quote:It reminds me of I Want My MTV, thematically.
I looked up nickelback on itunes to find out that their most popular song is Rockstar
tell me that doesn't suck
And to the guy harping on their song similarity. . .
. . .that can be said about most rock bands. They have their sound, and they stick to it.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yup
The bashing has become the popular thing to do, so people do it.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 11:53 pm to TigerTatorTots
They're the epitome of bad, hair band-wannabe garage rock. And their Canadian.
Posted on 4/7/12 at 12:17 am to JombieZombie
quote:bandwagoner
They're the epitome of bad, hair band-wannabe garage rock. And their Canadian.
Posted on 4/7/12 at 9:10 am to TigerTatorTots
Only cool in rural towns
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