re: Roger Waters slams The Weeknd and Drake, says he’s far more important than they’ll ever be

musicians thinking of themselves as "important".

Reading through this thread a few observations….

• Most people ITT don’t exactly understand what pop culture is. If you’re above 40 you aren’t supposed to like it.

• People thinking that Drake and The Weekend will be forgotten are straight up wrong. Sorry WG.. Older people always think “it’s just a phase”. This was true for Elvis, Beatles, etc. While the young people went crazy for them, their parents shook their heads at these ridiculous products of pop culture that will surely be irrelevant in 20 years. You can’t be the biggest artist of a decade and be forgotten.

• Whitey Bigsby is unhinged and is certainly a moron. Calling the Weekend “Ghetto music” is one of the best things i’ve read on this site. I’m guessing if he had actually listened to him he’d probably call it “fig music” instead. He also doesn’t seem to like black people.

• I prefer Pink Floyd over the Weekend or Drake but we have example #58755 of people being too shortsighted to see that this era of music is just like every other era of music. Young people love it and old people hate it.

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• People thinking that Drake and The Weekend will be forgotten are straight up wrong. Sorry WG.. Older people always think “it’s just a phase”.

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remember that pop artist that was on the top 40 dance charts in the early 2000s that had those couple catchy songs? Yeah me either. I'm not saying whatever genre you want to call those 2 is a "phase". I'm saying they dont' have staying power. With drake you can at least say that for a little while there he was truly at the top of the game and was potentially the biggest rapper on the scene. But that comes and goes quickly, and honestly how many rappers have 50+ year staying power? Unless you were the definitive sound of a movement (like biggie/tupac east/west coast), or broke some kind of barrier (eminiem), or jsut made good music that could be softened up enough to play on middle aged white woman radio (jay-z), you're probably not going to stand the test of time. Drake fits none of that. And the weekend? Lol, please. There have been hundreds if not thousands of similar acts just like them over the last decade all of which have been forgotten just as quickly as they arrived.

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This was true for Elvis, Beatles, etc. While the young people went crazy for them, their parents shook their heads at these ridiculous products of pop culture that will surely be irrelevant in 20 years.

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The beatles made music that people weren't quite used to, then they started taking drugs and did a total 180 on their sound and made music noboyd had heard before, while influencing generations behind them. Elvis took music that was played in the deltas or places that peopl eweren't familiar with the popularized it. The fricking weekend isn't trailblazing or creating anything new.

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You can’t be the biggest artist of a decade and be forgotten.

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Being popular amongst tiktok using teenagers isn't a signal of 50+ year longevity. And let's also distinguish between "forgotten" and "still being actively listended to, studiedn, and enjoyed". 98 degrees was right there with nsync and bsb as kings of the universe for a while there. And most people that are old enough would be like "oh yeah of course I rmeember them" and may still have a song or 2 of them on their ipod. But they don't actively live in the public consciousness like Pink floyd does.

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Whitey Bigsby is unhinged

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he's an alter that registered this month and has gone on a posting spree on the SEC rant, political board, music board, and probably others. Ignore him

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I prefer Pink Floyd over the Weekend or Drake but we have example #58755 of people being too shortsighted to see that this era of music is just like every other era of music. Young people love it and old people hate it.

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you're the one being short sighted, becuase you're too young to see a bigger picture. You're like 19 so your frame of reference isn't large enough. I can think back to many, many bands form my middle/high/college years that were absolutely mind blowing and life changing that may have lived on the charts for years, but I'm not going to be listening to those bands when I'm 50.


Here is about as simply as I can put it. Pink Floy'd most recognized and well known contirnbution was 47 years ago. So the whole "50 years later" thing is already here. Last go another 20 years. ~70 years after it happened, high school kids are still going to listen to Dark Side. College kids are still going to buy posters that have the DSOTM cover art on it. Stoned collge kids are still going to synch up wizard of oz and DSOTM. Young angsty people are going to hear the lyrics of time and have a not-even-quarter-life introspective crisis. People are still going to listen to the wall and odds are your local classic rock station called the eagle or River or Mountain or Fox or whatever is still going to be playing another brick int he wall and comfortably numb. All of that will still happen just as it does now just as it did 20 years ago.

70 years from today how many people do you think are still going to be listening to the weeknd and drake?

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I'm not saying whatever genre you want to call those 2 is a "phase". I'm saying they dont' have staying power.

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If you’re saying they don’t transcend time I definitely agree with you. But Drake has had so many hits i have no doubt he will be listened to 40 years from now. Maybe the 2010s version of Billy Joel. A ton of hits but nothing that changed history.

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But that comes and goes quickly, and honestly how many rappers have 50+ year staying power?

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Tupac, Biggie, Eminem, and Kanye. That’s it. Maybe Kendrick if he keeps it up.

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Being popular amongst tiktok using teenagers isn't a signal of 50+ year longevity.

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You lose me here. Drake had 9 number one hits before TikTok even existed, and I’d say the average Drake fan is probably 26. Also bringing up Tiktok at all just makes you seem like a whiny boomer (just being honest).

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And let's also distinguish between "forgotten" and "still being actively listended to, studiedn, and enjoyed". 98 degrees was right there with nsync and bsb as kings of the universe for a while there. And most people that are old enough would be like "oh yeah of course I rmeember them"

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*NSYNC was kings of the universe for like a year or a 2. Drake has been king for 7-8. I will say he’s probably the least influential artist in history to be “king” for that long. Acts like JuiceWRLD or Playboi Carti are far better parallels of NSYNC than Drake.

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you're the one being short sighted, becuase you're too young to see a bigger picture. You're like 19 so your frame of reference isn't large enough. I can think back to many, many bands form my middle/high/college years that were absolutely mind blowing and life changing that may have lived on the charts for years, but I'm not going to be listening to those bands when I'm 50.

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It sounds like we don’t disagree all that much. Several people in this thread indicated that Drake and this generation of music are so bad they will be forgotten entirely in a few decades. He simply has too many hits for him to not have a decent number of listeners in the future.

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Here is about as simply as I can put it. Pink Floy'd most recognized and well known contirnbution was 47 years ago. So the whole "50 years later" thing is already here. Last go another 20 years. ~70 years after it happened, high school kids are still going to listen to Dark Side. College kids are still going to buy posters that have the DSOTM cover art on it.

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As you mentioned i’m a bit younger, so let me tell you that a lot of people my age wear DSOTM shirts and all that because they want to let people know they’re different rather than actually listen to the music. Not all of the but a lot.

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70 years from today how many people do you think are still going to be listening to the weeknd and drake?

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Probably less than Pink Floyd in 20 years. But they won’t be “forgotten”. Pink Floyd is a special case. But comparing Drake to one of many 90’s boy bands is just crazy. and Blinding Lights will be listened to for a long time.

Well Waters stuff with Floyd was great. But he does think highly of himself

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Roger Waters



Sounds like a jealous bitch

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Doesn't change the fact that he's right.

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Doesn't change the fact that he's right.

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Ridiculous. People go to great lengths for their favorite pop star

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Its a terrible take. Ridiculous.

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Ever watched a Led Zeppelin documentary? It’s 100% true that older people did not like them for their “pornographic” lyrics and “over the top” style of Rock.

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People go to great lengths for their favorite pop star

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I have a grand total of one song by Drake and The Weeknd on my playlist. “Nice for What”. My tastes in music are probably more similar to yours but I understand that even the music i don’t like is relevant in a historical sense.

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True, but its classless.

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This.

And it just makes him sound old. Time rolls over everyone. What Roger recordED is more important than Drake or The Weekend. What he is recording now? Really? I don’t think so. What he records now is music for his fans to piss to between PF songs.