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re: Official: Guitar beginners question and answer thread.

Posted on 2/18/20 at 7:17 am to
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 7:17 am to
Depending on your stereo, you might have to cycle through the different inputs for it to work. Typically you’ll have radio, cd, auxiliary 1, auxiliary 2 or something similar. It definitely works though.
Posted by Kvothe
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:39 am to
Nailed the my first minor pentatonic scale last night. Just posting bc I’m excited lol.

So, can I play all 5 minor pentatonic shapes anywhere on fretboard, or is their a specific order they fit in to link them together? I understand the root note dictates where to start the first shape, but I’m confused on how to proceed on linking them
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 3:50 pm to
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So, can I play all 5 minor pentatonic shapes anywhere on fretboard, or is their a specific order they fit in to link them together?


Ok, so all 5 shapes fit together as one, and you can slide the shapes up and down the fretboard to play in different keys. Now where it gets tricky is the twelfth fret. When you reach the twelfth fret, you’ve gone a full octave. So the high or low E string is a full octave higher at the twelfth fret than playing an open E string. So with all that in mind, you have to think of the shapes as one big loop. If you start a shape 1 at the tenth fret for example, you’ll find shapes 2, 3, 4 and 5 starting around the first fret or open string. So shapes 1,2,3,4 and 5 would end up looking like 2,3,4,5 and 1 if laid out on the guitar neck from the nut to the twelfth fret.

Edit: don’t just learn the shapes vertically, learn to play them horizontally across the neck too. It will help you avoid getting trapped in the “box”.
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 3:58 pm
Posted by Kvothe
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 7:49 pm to
Ok awesome, that makes sense. Appreciate the explanation
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 8:59 pm to
Glad I could help. Also, the shapes work exactly the same going from the 12th fret on down the neck. You’re simply playing them an octave higher.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:16 pm to
Also I need to clarify 1 thing. In the example I gave I said the shapes would be 2,3,4,5 and 1 if laid out on the fretboard. That’s not entirely correct or it’s a partial answer. What I should have said is that the shapes would be 2,3,4,5 and 1, 2,3,4,5 because the shapes also continue past the 12th fret towards the bridge..
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:28 am to
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Nailed the my first minor pentatonic scale last night. Just posting bc I’m excited lol.


Awesome. Are you able to stretch your fingers that wide or are you walking it.

My guy showed me one where Im going from the 5th to 8th fret and I cant stretch that far. I am having to walk it and its been tough for me


Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:34 am to
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My guy showed me one where Im going from the 5th to 8th fret and I cant stretch that far.


When I used to play every day, a 4-fret stretch was no big deal - some passages require a 5-fret stretch and near the neck that effing sucks.
Posted by jdd48
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:38 am to
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When I used to play every day, a 4-fret stretch was no big deal - some passages require a 5-fret stretch and near the neck that effing sucks.


Yea I used to think the long stretches, especially something like 1-3-5 or 3-5-7, were anatomically impossible for me since my hands are not large. Eventually I got those though. Just took time and lots of perseverance.
Posted by LanierSpots
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:44 am to
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When I used to play every day, a 4-fret stretch was no big deal - some passages require a 5-fret stretch and near the neck that effing sucks.



3 is kicking my arse but Im working on it..

Posted by jdd48
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:46 am to
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3 is kicking my arse but Im working on it


You playing the 5-8 with pointer and pinky or pointer and ring?
Posted by LanierSpots
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:00 pm to
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You playing the 5-8 with pointer and pinky or pointer and ring?



Trying both. Pointer and pinky looks the most realistic.
Posted by jdd48
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:06 pm to
I personally play it with pointer-pinky. As you've probably experienced, it may take a while to get your pinky dexterity up. Keep at it though - it does come eventually.
Posted by Kvothe
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:28 am to
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Awesome. Are you able to stretch your fingers that wide or are you walking it.

My guy showed me one where Im going from the 5th to 8th fret and I cant stretch that far. I am having to walk it and its been tough for me



Sounds like we’re working on the same one, most likely. 1st pattern of A minor pentatonic scale?

The first stretch between 5 and 8, is the hardest for my hand, but after fingering it a few times it falls into place. I use my pinky. Pinky don’t like that but it’s doing it anyway lol

ETA: also my pinky’s are crooked. They curve inwards towards the rest of my fingers. This takes some distance off my reach, but no excuses
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 9:32 am
Posted by jdd48
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Posted on 2/21/20 at 9:24 pm to
Anyone playing tonight? Just put a productive 2 hours in.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/21/20 at 9:49 pm to
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1st pattern of A minor pentatonic scale?


is that the one where I always get " God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" stuck in my head?
Posted by bgoodwin
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:44 am to
Private gig tonight. Probably jam for a few hours and eat plenty of smoked chicken and ribs.
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 10:37 am to
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quote:
You playing the 5-8 with pointer and pinky or pointer and ring?



Trying both. Pointer and pinky looks the most realistic.
May help to adjust your thumb placement.

I've never been one to unduly fret over adjusting my thumb. Sometimes it's center of back pushing up, or even lower, and other times gripping the neck tight like a baseball bat. Not going to bore (overload) you with when or why. Just suggesting that as your thumb goes up or down it might have a major impact on your where your wrist is.... and this dramatically impacts how far my fingers will stretch/span. Depends on the song and especially when doing leads.
This post was edited on 2/22/20 at 10:52 am
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:46 pm to
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Anyone playing tonight? Just put a productive 2 hours in.



Wife and kids are gone tonight. Im about to rest up a little from work then I am going to pick for a few hours tonight. Learned some of the chords for Hotel California. Playing around a little with that tonight instead of practicing.

A little Makers 46 and learn how to play some of this song.
Posted by Kcprogguitar
Kansas City
Member since Oct 2014
889 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 9:57 am to
There’s a reason classical guitar players hold and play the way they do. The thumb naturally falls to the middle of the neck giving greater reach.

Some guys have huge hands, so it doesn’t matter, really how they wear/hold the guitar. Some guys with huge hands still wear the guitar high and play things most mortals never could. Alan Holdsworth. If your hands are smaller consider using a more traditional approach, as mentioned above.

I would recommend incorporating the pinky into your playing, but it takes discipline. Work each transition from the other fingers to the pinky and back. Then do it from adjacent strings. Then alternate adjacent strings. Etc.

As always, it’s not the number of years you’ve played. It’s the number of hours.
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