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Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:25 pm to
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:25 pm to
Happens to me when adding in the words.

Almost as if the same place in my head handles both and then becomes a jumbled up mess when doing both.
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 6:21 pm to
I'm about to hop back on this train. Landed a new job less demanding on time.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:34 pm to
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Just seeing if anyone else had this problem, I notice my buddies seem to pick it up much easier than I do
it takes time and practice. I always learn by ear first and follow-up with watching a video or tabs if needed to confirm. After a while, you'll realize that every style of music only has so many chord progressions and you'll just recognize them.

After 20+ years of playing guitar, I can generally tell you a chord progression (for example, 1, 4, 6m, 5) just from listening to a song, not even knowing what key it is in.

Time and practice. There's no shortcuts for this.
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:47 pm to
For me, learning to sing a song, always helped me learn to play it on guitar.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:03 pm to
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For me, learning to sing a song, always helped me learn to play it on guitar.



If it is a song I like, invariably I find I cannot sing in that register or key. (Or, in fact any register or key.)


Posted by auggie
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:39 pm to
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If it is a song I like, invariably I find I cannot sing in that register or key. (Or, in fact any register or key.)

It doesn't mean you have to sing it well, but just use the phrasing to remember the chord changes. After a while, you don't have to sing it, you just kind of think through it.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 9:13 am to
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If it is a song I like, invariably I find I cannot sing in that register or key. (Or, in fact any register or key.)

learn them numbers and you can change it to whatever key you want.
Posted by TheCurmudgeon
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:27 pm to
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After 20+ years of playing guitar, I can generally tell you a chord progression (for example, 1, 4, 6m, 5) just from listening to a song, not even knowing what key it is in.


This. It's time spent listening, with an understanding that 90% of songs will have a 1-4-5 chord progression TYPE in it. Point is, I've played and heard it so much I finally now understand and recognize it or a variant of it (like adding the 6th or 2nd, both played as minors) when I'm trying to learn or arrange something.

I like the 2m-4-1-5 as a personal preference. In C its Dm-F-C-G, walks right down the strings. But in the end, it's still just a little twist on the 1-4-5.

ETA: The 90% applies to rock, country, blues, most folk. Not jazz which has its own universe of weirdo progressions.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 3:47 pm
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:52 pm to
Before I learned to use the numbers, I learned to transpose songs by drawing 2 guitar strings beside each other and draw 12 bars across the lines for frets.
If the song that I wanted to transpose was in G, I would start writing in the notes at the fret bars starting at G-G#-A-A#, etc... If I wanted to transpose to D, I would start writing all the notes on the other string starting at D-D#-E-F-F#..then I would draw lines for the progression and figure it out that way.

I had figured that much out on my own, then one day, I was looking at a new magazine for learning guitar songs, and there was an ad for what they called A Nashville Numbers Wheel! AMAZING TOOL FOR LEARNING SONGS, only 5 bucks, but as soon as I saw the ad, I already knew how it worked and made my own, out of cardboard. I used different sized cans out of my Mom's kitchen cabinet to draw my circles to make my wheels, she couldn't understand what the hell I was doing
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 1:36 pm to
I know jack about music theory. The last two pages opened my eyes in regards to keys. Thanks fellas.
Posted by TheCurmudgeon
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:31 pm to
Keys are easier than you think. Only the letters change from one key to another.

Its the same 1-4-5 chord number progression, just the 1 changes to the key. Key of G? G-C-D. Slide up to C? C-F-G.

It's the same scale pattern, just where you start the first note changes to the key you're playing in.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 3:39 pm
Posted by Devious
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:01 pm to
I kept trying to figure out what 1-4-5 meant, then it clicked
Posted by TheCurmudgeon
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:31 pm to
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Guitar beginners question and answer thread.
I kept trying to figure out what 1-4-5 meant, then it clicked


Sorry. For anyone who's interested, use Key of G as an example:

G-A-B-C-D
1-2-3-4-5

So to play a 1-4-5 progression, just play G-C-D. Wanna spice it up? Throw a 2 or 6 in there, but play those as minors (Am, Em). You've heard that song before!

for Key of C:

C-D-E-F-G
1-2-3-4-5

So 1-4-5 is C-F-G. and so on and so on down the other keys.
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:40 pm to
You can also replace chords on simple progressions too.
Example: chord progression is G-E minor-C, maybe every 3rd time through, play G-B minor-C, or G-B minor-A minor.
The more you learn, the more you can try, and the more you try, the more you will learn.
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:15 pm to
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I know jack about music theory. The last two pages opened my eyes in regards to keys. Thanks fellas.


Might be a good time to thrown this in (Search for): circle 5th explained



And see how this...

... is related to this

You can then go deeper or just stay here. Either way it should help without too much pain.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 5:17 pm
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 2/6/21 at 9:14 am to
Not sure if already talked about. But, all beginners should learn every major chord fingering. Aka, how to play each major chord and how you can then use that same fingering up and down the fretboard to play different chords.

I learned with E. You play it in the normal position, it is an E. Slide it up 5 frets and it's an A. Slide it up 2 more and it's a B.

Start with one shape and play around all over the fretboard and notate the chords as you change. Then move on to another chord shape and do the same.

Last example, same shape as E, every finger down a string and it is an Aminor. Slide down 2 frets, Bm. Slide down 2 more C#m, one more Dm, 2 more Em, etc.

Very good exercise to learn the fretboard. And if you apply the numbers we just talked about, it helps relate it to actual chord progressions.
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 2/8/21 at 4:56 pm to
I always say this: learning chords is a lot easier, if you know how chords are built and learning how each string progresses fret to fret. Every string has the same note pattern, they just start at a different note. If you know how chords are built, you don't have to memorize nearly as much, you can figure out the best way to play it, that is easiest for you and fits your style of playing.

As you are first learning your first major and minor chords, think about what notes are in the chord structure of them. You will start seeing the pattern.
This post was edited on 2/8/21 at 5:03 pm
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:18 am to
It seems I have my good days and I have my bad days. Some days I practice and it all clicks and I'm feeling good about it, then the next day I practice the same exact thing and it sounds terrible. I guess that's how it goes. Two steps forward, one step back. At least I'm headed in the right direction.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 2/13/21 at 9:19 am to
My initial goal with learning guitar was to learn songs for my toddler. He is obsessed with the sounds the guitar makes. Last night I learned a simple little version of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, which is his favorite song. I played it for him this morning and it.blew.his.fricking.mind. I wish I got a video of it for y'all to see. He was so happy. It was the motivation I needed to keep going. I don't think he'll allow me to put the guitar down again.
This post was edited on 2/13/21 at 9:20 am
Posted by TheCurmudgeon
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Posted on 2/13/21 at 10:34 am to
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My initial goal with learning guitar was to learn songs for my toddler. He is obsessed with the sounds the guitar makes. Last night I learned a simple little version of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, which is his favorite song. I played it for him this morning and it.blew.his.fricking.mind. I wish I got a video of it for y'all to see. He was so happy. It was the motivation I needed to keep going. I don't think he'll allow me to put the guitar down again.


Fantastic!
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