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re: Lynyrd Skynyrd - The Crash 40 Years Ago Today

Posted on 10/23/17 at 7:54 am to
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 7:54 am to
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So did Allen Collins later die from injuries sustained in the crash or from other reaso

He died as a result of being paralyzed in a car crash a few years earlier that killed his girlfriend and unborn baby; Allen never recovered mentally from the car crash; this is the short version.

Concerning the '77 crash, virtually everyone believes the pilots accidently dumped fuel when trying to switch from 1 tank to the other; yes I'm serious. Yes as others said the plane was running rich and using more fuel than what was anticipated but not to the point that they would have run out of fuel so they concluded that when they were switching over to the other tank, they dumped the fuel instead. I've always wondered how a mistake like this could be made; was it really that easy to dump fuel vs. just switching tanks?
Posted by litenin
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:08 am to
It's mind boggling for me to think about all of the great music made between '67 - '77, along with all of the legendary musicians that were in their peak and/or died prematurely.

Skynyrd was before my time but still one of my all-time favorites.

I decided to read about the crash a few months ago. Some of the better known things have already been mentioned, such as Aerosmith wanting to use that plane and the faulty fuel gauge. I also recall that one of the backup singers having premonitions of the crash in the weeks leading up to it.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:46 am to
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I also recall that one of the backup singers having premonitions of the crash in the weeks leading up to it.

I haven't heard that one. In the most famous interview (The Behind the Music one), Billy Powell talked about how Cassie Gaines' throat was slit from 1 side to the other and that turned out to be complete bullshite. When asked about it later Billy wouldn't respond to the question.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 9:47 am
Posted by litenin
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:04 am to
On the wikipedia site about the crash, it includes 'Another member of the band's trio of back-up singers (collectively known as the "Honkettes"), JoJo Billingsley, was not on the plane; she was home sick and planned to join the tour in Little Rock, Arkansas, on October 23. Billingsley said that she had dreamed of the plane crash and begged guitarist/founding member Allen Collins by telephone not to continue using the Convair.

The wiki summary also mentions that 'Cassie Gaines had been so fearful of flying in the Convair that she had preferred to travel in the band's cramped equipment truck instead, but Ronnie Van Zant convinced her to board the plane on October 20.'
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 11:05 am
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:52 am to
I think I recall reading something about Cassie being afraid to fly but I don't recall JoJo's story (not disputing it in any way, shape or form). I also read that Gene Odom (Ronnie's/the band's security guy) didn't want the band to fly on that plane bc it had a history of mechanical issues. I met Gene at a show during the initial reunion tour; nice guy but seemed to be still shouldering some blame for allowing the flight to continue and not putting his foot down. IRL he was probably the only person that could have told Ronnie not to go.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 5:28 pm to






Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:14 pm to
OP - thanks for the Rolling Stone link.

Anybody got an update on the Artimus Pyle film and the lawsuit?
Posted by TreeDawg
Central, La.
Member since Jan 2005
27144 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 9:15 am to
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Anybody got an update on the Artimus Pyle film and the lawsuit?


Artimus Pyle Interview
Posted by TreeDawg
Central, La.
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 9:16 am to
Great pics Mizz!!!
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68609 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:49 am to
I swear every time AP tells this story it changes; now he's saying he actually got shot? That's the first time I've heard that one.

Posted by Bushwackers
Ridin' shotgun with Reese Bobby!
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:40 pm to
Glad to see this thread going. I'll go into detail about my visit, on Friday I finally decided to go to the site after years of wanting to go. I drove past it several months ago to locate it, but was apprehensive after reading about the landowners being very protective and there are No Trespassing signs everywhere. I finally said F it and go and take my chances figuring there would be other people there for the 40th anniversary. As I drove around a field I thought would give me the easiest access from my earlier scouting I noticed about a half dozen cars, so I parked and walked to them and heard people talking in the woods closer to the actual crash site. To my amazement people welcomed me, I got to meet two road crew survivors from the plane that were there for closure. They got to meet the first responders who helped them. Quite emotional for everybody. The land owners(and friends) gave everybody stories, insights, and the exact location of where the plane went down. They pointed to a rotted stump that was once a towering tree where supposedly the fuselage came to a rest. Some guests even found a few pieces of the plane(to this day!). I found a small piece of glass, but felt bad taking anything, but after other people were finding stuff I decided I needed something for keepsake. Man I was kicking leaves and rustling under the direct flight path down and didn't find shite. Finally one of the guys jokenly was like "dude give it up" as it was getting dark. Respectfully I obliged. Afterwards they invited me back to Dwain Easley's camp adjacent to the site where he had food, Skynyrd music cranking, and even some large pieces on display(a window). As I greeted him and told him I was honored to be there, he repeated a story that I read from him in an earlier interview that he was very proud that even though the people that died, died on impact before they got there, everybody that was still alive in critical condition, lived thanks to the amazing work that he and first responders did that tragic night (As I had read there were people still in there seats hanging from trees!)
Through the years I have pored over articles, interviews, etc on Skynyrd:
--The plane was shooting out flames from one the engines on their way from Miami(or Lakeland, Fl) to Greenville. After talking each other up, they decided they were going to fly it one last time then ditch the Conair in BR for a Learjet. They were all actually celebrating their last flight on the plane that fateful night. Ronnie was supposedly sleeping in one of the aisleways because of not sleeping much the 2 nights before. Gene Odom had to slap him to wake him and put him in his seat as the plane was going down. As the legend goes you didn't slap RVZ without consequences. Some say Ronnie died on impact hitting a tree, but others say he suffocated as everybody in the front of the plane slammed into one another piled on top of each other. A majority of the survivors were in the back of the plane and it broke off from the front.
--It had been documented by several people closest to him that he had always said he would not make 30 years old and would go out on the road. His age of the crash-29(you cannot make this stuff up)
--Cassie did not want to board and was talked into it by Ronnie as his last words before boarding were "If it's your time, it's your time)
--When the plane was trying to make a crash landing after it had turned back towards McComb, the pilots aimed for Motes field just barely past the woods where it went down. Supposedly they dropped the landing gear too soon which caused the plane's nose to dip and take a nose dive. The crash itself only took place in about 100 yards distance going into the trees at 90 mph. If you look up today you can see some of the older oaks tops in the flight path, the tops are sprouting out differently because of being topped 40 years ago.

If anybody were to go I would recommend on an anniversary as it seems a few people go and pay their respects every year and the landowners are a little more laid back in the access.

Hope y'all enjoy the read. Please forgive me if I misinterpreted anything. Turn It Up!
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:18 pm to
It's crazy how many musicians have died in plane crashes.
Posted by TreeDawg
Central, La.
Member since Jan 2005
27144 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:39 am to
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I'll go into detail about my visit, on Friday I finally decided to go to the site after years of wanting to go.


Bro thank you for taking time to share this. It gave me goosebumps reading it.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:20 pm to
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It's crazy how many musicians have died in plane crashes.


Actually a very small number considering the number of musicians there have been, the amount of air travel touring musicians do, the 40-50 year time span in which the crashes occurred, and that time and money limitation often force them to charter aircraft with not the best maintenance history.

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