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Paul Allen
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
What about my examples?


kingbob
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
SR-71, Yellowcard, Good Charlotte, and Simple Plan are absolutely pop punk. I didn’t realize you were asking if they were.


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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
Let me know when The Sex Pistols, Buzzcocks, 999, and The Jam go on tour.


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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
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artists like MGK, Yungblud, Mod Sun, Kennyhoopla, Olivia Rodrigo, and somewhat with Halsey

Yeah, none of these artists have ever released anything that sounds like the Pop Punk of my adolescence.


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Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk




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RantardoMontalbon
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
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I’m dropping the first three tracks from my pop punk project in the next couple weeks. I’ll link it when it’s live

It's been a couple of weeks already baw. Drop us a link my man.


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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
Fall Outs first album Take This To Your Grave is the only one Id consider pop punk as constructed by Blink, Green Day, etc. Not even sure what you’d call the music they released afterwards


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crazy4lsu
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
Nah it's not.


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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
Take This to Your Grave is def a pop punk record with a ting of emo.. that's when Fueled by Ramen was run by Vinnie of LTJ and he basically just signed pop punk type bands, plus they opened for Yellowcard to support it... I saw them live in like late 2003 or so at Grant St
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
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Every era needs “fun” music about love that teens can drink to and maybe dance a little bit that still appeals to boys. In the 60’s, that was the Beatles, the 70’s, it was bands like Foreigner


You really need to read a book on music history my man. You make up an alarming amount of nonsense.

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Pop punk was meant to be silly, because they straight up DGAF. Pop punk succeeded by being the perfect marriage of the DGAF attitude and style of grunge with the major keys and fun aesthetic of hair metal.


You keep linking it to hair metal for some reason, maybe because hair metal also sucked terribly, but the chord structures were taken from 'power pop' bands of the 70s, and combined it with the tempo and song structures of Southern Cal skate punk. The aesthetics (including the 'fun' and playful aspects of the genre) was borrowed directly from skate punk. You are insisting on erasing the skate punk origins of literally every band you listed for some reason. The lineage is pretty clear for most music historians. Much of the history of skate punk exists in complete opposition to hair metal. Linking the later development of pop punk to anything but it's skate punk origins is inaccurate, because all those things you've listed existed in skate punk as well, and the genre is older than hair metal, arguably.


kingbob
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
Well, no shite pop punk comes from skate punk. Green Day was the skate punk band that elevated the genre into mainstream consciousness. I’m not trying to parse out how the pop punk sound developed, but rather why it found the success it did for the time in which it was relevant. I’m looking at it from a marketing and a consumer perception perspective more so than from an artistic standpoint.

I was explaining its appeal as fitting a certain niche in pop/music culture. Hair metal was all flash and fun with upbeat songs about love and sex.

Grunge was crazy popular, but it didn’t fit that niche, and left a sorta void which pop punk filled for a time. There will always be a “fun” genre for silly love songs to drink on tailgates to.

That’s why I compare pop punk to hair metal and bro country as they all were marketed to and embraced by the same demo when they first became big in pop culture. This is because they all filled the same cultural niche.
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rather why it found the success it did for the time in which it was relevant. I’m looking at it from a marketing and a consumer perception perspective more so than from an artistic standpoint.


And then you don’t make any connection to the exploding popularity of skateboarding in the 90’s? Because that seems the most obvious reason why pop punk and it’s aesthetic became popular. The X-Games, the Warped Tour, and Tony Hawk provide much more meaningful argument as to the genre’s popularity than the rather odd framework you developed, which was nonsensical. The whole culture of skateboarding is also why the Midwest Emo scene, which shared similar sensibilities albeit with more serious subject matter, did not take off in the same way, as it wasn’t attached to a wider cultural phenomena.

I don’t buy the ‘fun’ niche arguments, to be frank, firstly because it imposes a weird fun music-serious music dichotomy that I don’t think existed at the time the music was played, and two, I’m extremely skeptical of this supposed historical demand, and even the existence of this supposed historical niche. The argument might find purchase in more skilled hands, but the way you’ve laid it out is retarded.
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olddawg26
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
Lotta people who were 25+ when blink182 hit the scene hated them. It probably sounded like annoying whiny garbage, but to those of us in middle school and high school, it was great.

Listening back to Take off your pants and jacket is always fun, even just for nostalgic value
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kingbob
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
Midwest emo didn’t take off because it’s self-serious, sad, and f$&king depressing to listen to. I love American Football, but it’s no secret why girls loved “Enema of the State” and hated “Never Meant”.

Sad music is much less “fun” than happy music, and by “fun”, I mean what 15-25 year old girls want to listen to while drinking with friends. That demo basically decides popular culture. That demo always needs music to dance to. When a music genre can appeal to them AND guys as well, then you’ve got a phenomenon.

Skateboarding was the subculture that helped spread skate punk, but it was the fact that pop punk appealed to both this young adult girl demo AND the rocker guys that allowed it to get so much bigger than other punk bands like social distortion or midwest emo bands like American Football.
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
Is Jeff Rosenstock considered pop punk? I would think so, but I’m not alway great at genre classifications. Either way, his stuff shreds.

Jeff Rosenstock- ***BNB

Jeff Rosenstock- I Did Something Weird Last Night

Jeff Rosenstock- Nausea


crazy4lsu
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
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Skateboarding was the subculture that helped spread skate punk,


Sure, and it played a massive role in the popularity of pop punk.

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Sad music is much less “fun” than happy music, and by “fun”, I mean what 15-25 year old girls want to listen to while drinking with friends. That demo basically decides popular culture. 


I mean, that same demographic was heavily into emo-adjacent indie pop literally during the same era of pop punk's popularity. I would even wager the saccharine indie pop represented by a slew of bands like Death Cab were more popular among the young women crowd than pop-punk was. I just straight up don't buy your argument, as it flies in the face of my own experience.


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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
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s Jeff Rosenstock considered pop punk?


Not really, although the Death Rosenstock band has ska pop punk royalty Dan Potthast and I believe one member from Rosenstock's previous project, Bomb The Music Industry! (which is awesome and mixes all kinds of different genres, but there is a bunch of straight up pop punk there)
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Afrojedi
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
Absolutely love Lookout, Epitaph and Fat stuff from the mid to late 90's and in to the early 2000s. Been listening to a lot of stuff like this lately. I was in to more hardcore punk in my high school and early 20's years but the pop stuff like Screeching Weasel, Osker and Enemy You were always kind of guilty pleasures of mine.


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RantardoMontalbon
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re: Love It Or Hate It, Pop Punk Is Being Resurrected
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Three Little Words

Great stuff. First impression was a Me First And The Gimme Gimmes vibe.

Constructive criticism on the mix - either pull the lead vocals back or push the harmony vocals forward. Needs better overall vocal balance. Bring the melody guitar parts up a bunch because there's lots going on that adds to the song musically but you strain to hear it.

And as an '80s rock fan, maybe try and put at least four bars of Ace Frehley level guitar solo in there somewhere.

On the whole I love it and good luck.


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