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re: Let's have a civil discussion about AI music
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:07 pm to Dawglovertoo
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:07 pm to Dawglovertoo
If I can't draw but you can, and I tell you that I'd like you to draw me a picture of a man wearing a blue jacket and red pants who has a Van Dyke beard and is sad because he just dropped his ice cream cone on the ground, and you do it, whose art is the finished drawing?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:19 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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If I can't draw but you can, and I tell you that I'd like you to draw me a picture of a man wearing a blue jacket and red pants who has a Van Dyke beard and is sad because he just dropped his ice cream cone on the ground, and you do it, whose art is the finished drawing?
Andy Warhol often had his students and underlings do the actual painting while he instructed them what he wanted the painting to look like and he was still considered the artist.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:24 pm to Dawglovertoo
quote:that’s dumb
Andy Warhol often had his students and underlings do the actual painting while he instructed them what he wanted the painting to look like and he was still considered the artist.
Ain’t no way
This post was edited on 10/21/26 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:31 pm to Dawglovertoo
I think what you meant to say was, "Andy Warhol was a borderline cult leader and incredibly selfish individual who coerced his 'students' into letting him take credit for their art," but that's not what I asked anyway. I didn't ask what Andy Warhol did, I asked you what your opinion was.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:47 pm to STigers
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Andy Warhol often had his students and underlings do the actual painting while he instructed them what he wanted the painting to look like and he was still considered the artist.
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that’s dumb
Ain’t no way
It's true.
Look it up.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:58 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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I think what you meant to say was, "Andy Warhol was a borderline cult leader and incredibly selfish individual who coerced his 'students' into letting him take credit for their art," but that's not what I asked anyway. I didn't ask what Andy Warhol did, I asked you what your opinion was.
You don't get to put words in my mouth.
The art world not his students and underlings gave Andy Warhol the credit as being the artist of those paintings even though he didn't do the actual painting.
I helped AI to produce the final version of my songs by instructing it what I wanted it to do to make the music sound the way I wanted it to sound. AI wouldn't have been able to do it on its own. AI needed my involvement or else the final version of my songs would never have been created.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:03 pm to Dawglovertoo
You still haven't answered my question. Can I take credit as the artist of a picture that you drew simply because I told you what I wanted you to draw a picture of?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:04 pm to Dawglovertoo
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AI needed my involvement or else the final version of my songs would never have been created.
You are to music creation as what Margaret Sanger is to child health care.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:19 pm to hogcard1964
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You are to music creation as what Margaret Sanger is to child health care.
Did you listen to any of my brother's or my songs?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:30 pm to Cdawg
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I'm willing to pay up to $5 for those lyrics.
So less than the price of a Big Mac. Hmmm....
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:37 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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If I can't draw but you can, and I tell you that I'd like you to draw me a picture of a man wearing a blue jacket and red pants who has a Van Dyke beard and is sad because he just dropped his ice cream cone on the ground, and you do it, whose art is the finished drawing?
Based on the discussion in this thread, I think Daffy has the legal grounds to claim the paintings as his intellectual property.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:40 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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You still haven't answered my question. Can I take credit as the artist of a picture that you drew simply because I told you what I wanted you to draw a picture of?
As I stated, Andy Warhol got credit as the artist who created a painting even though he only instructed his underlings how he wanted them to paint a painting but didn't do the actual painting himself.
Additionally, according to AI, "Philosophically, many creators argue that the song is still "way more yours than not". You curated the idea, engineered the prompts, and decided which AI generation perfectly matched the emotional intent of your words. In this light, you are the director or visionary of the project, even if the "execution" of the music was handled by a machine."
That may not be the answer you want but that's my answer to your question.
This post was edited on 10/21/26 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 10/21/26 at 5:00 pm to Dawglovertoo
You are still dodging my question. I just want a simple yes or no. If I tell you to draw a picture of something and you do it, can I claim to be the artist of the resulting picture that you drew?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 5:04 pm to Dawglovertoo
I listened to some shi÷ you linked.
Then I stopped listening.
Then I stopped listening.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 5:42 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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can I claim to be the artist of the resulting picture that you drew
Furthermore is it morally correct to do that even if the answer is yes?
The answer to those questions will answer if AI music is worth even a second glance
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:15 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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You are still dodging my question. I just want a simple yes or no. If I tell you to draw a picture of something and you do it, can I claim to be the artist of the resulting picture that you drew?
Your question is irrelevant.
It has nothing to do with whether or not my brother and I made our songs.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:17 pm to hogcard1964
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I listened to some shi÷ you linked.
Then I stopped listening.
What specifically did you listen to?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:19 pm to olddawg26
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Furthermore is it morally correct to do that even if the answer is yes?
The answer to those questions will answer if AI music is worth even a second glance
AI music is certainly worth a first glance before you judge it as not being art.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 7:49 pm to Dawglovertoo
That's what I figured. You can't answer "no" because that would torpedo your entire argument, but you can't answer "yes" because that is clearly ludicrous, so you are just going to refuse to answer at all. Which is as good as an answer, really.Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:05 pm to Dawglovertoo
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AI music is certainly worth a first glance before you judge it as not being art.
Bro, AI "content" is everywhere and you have to be seriously flat out retarded not to know the difference. We've all heard and seen it.
Its soulless. Passing it as your personal art is fricking pathetic.
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