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re: Let's have a civil discussion about AI music
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:05 pm to TheTideMustRoll
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:05 pm to TheTideMustRoll
No matter how many times you ask the question it doesn't change the fact that my brother and I made all of our songs.
Additionally, according to AI, "Philosophically, many creators argue that the song is still "way more yours than not". You curated the idea, engineered the prompts, and decided which AI generation perfectly matched the emotional intent of your words. In this light, you are the director or visionary of the project, even if the "execution" of the music was handled by a machine."
BTW, Have you stopped beating your wife?
That question requires just a "yes" or "no" answer.
Additionally, according to AI, "Philosophically, many creators argue that the song is still "way more yours than not". You curated the idea, engineered the prompts, and decided which AI generation perfectly matched the emotional intent of your words. In this light, you are the director or visionary of the project, even if the "execution" of the music was handled by a machine."
BTW, Have you stopped beating your wife?
That question requires just a "yes" or "no" answer.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:17 pm to Dawglovertoo
You're the one who started this whole discussion. You're really just going to refuse to answer the question?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:42 pm to TheTideMustRoll
Your question is irrelevant to the discussion but I've already answered it several times.
You just don't like my answer.
You just don't like my answer.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:46 pm to Dawglovertoo
You have yet to answer it.
Please explain how it is irrelevant.
Please explain how it is irrelevant.
Posted on 10/22/26 at 5:26 am to Dawglovertoo
Look dude I’ve played with Eddie money, Marshall Tucker, the goo goo dolls, everclear and a bunch of other bands. I fricking HATE to drop that kind of stuff on this board bc I like it to be somewhat anonymous.
This is ridiculous, if you aren’t playing the music along with the songs you actually wrote then it’s not original. I dunno what else to say, I’ve got 3 full length albums on all platforms and I play piano/organ/guitar and backing vocals on a ton of stuff you’ve heard. I’ve been in the studio with Gregg Allman and I’ve recorded right after Ike stubblefield. I’ve jammed with trucks and all. I’ve done a lot.
Im doing this to tell you that not one of these guys would think AI is something that needs to be a part of music, it’s just not. You need to bow out of this and learn a craft.
This is ridiculous, if you aren’t playing the music along with the songs you actually wrote then it’s not original. I dunno what else to say, I’ve got 3 full length albums on all platforms and I play piano/organ/guitar and backing vocals on a ton of stuff you’ve heard. I’ve been in the studio with Gregg Allman and I’ve recorded right after Ike stubblefield. I’ve jammed with trucks and all. I’ve done a lot.
Im doing this to tell you that not one of these guys would think AI is something that needs to be a part of music, it’s just not. You need to bow out of this and learn a craft.
Posted on 10/22/26 at 6:51 am to olddawg26
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Im doing this to tell you that not one of these guys would think AI is something that needs to be a part of music, it’s just not. You need to bow out of this and learn a craft.
He can't. Short Bus thinks he's a musical genius.
Posted on 10/22/26 at 9:23 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Please explain how it is irrelevant.
It's obvious how it's irrelevant.
Posted on 10/22/26 at 9:31 am to Dawglovertoo
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It's obvious how it's irrelevant.
You are telling an AI to generate something for you that you cannot create yourself and then claiming the end result as your own product. I asked a question about whether or not you felt you would be justified in doing the exact same thing if a human was doing the creating rather than a machine. How is that irrelevant?
Posted on 10/22/26 at 9:35 am to olddawg26
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This is ridiculous, if you aren’t playing the music along with the songs you actually wrote then it’s not original. I dunno what else to say, I’ve got 3 full length albums on all platforms and I play piano/organ/guitar and backing vocals on a ton of stuff you’ve heard. I’ve been in the studio with Gregg Allman and I’ve recorded right after Ike stubblefield. I’ve jammed with trucks and all. I’ve done a lot.
Im doing this to tell you that not one of these guys would think AI is something that needs to be a part of music, it’s just not. You need to bow out of this and learn a craft.
My brother and I have already learned a craft.
We have made originally designed handmade lost wax casted and fabricated jewelry since 1967.
It doesn't matter what you and all of those other professional musicians think about AI music.
If it sounds like music it's music.
BTW, here's the link to a song my brother wrote the lyrics to called, "A Street Musician's Song".
A Street Musician's Song
Posted on 10/22/26 at 9:55 am to Mizz-SEC
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Im doing this to tell you that not one of these guys would think AI is something that needs to be a part of music, it’s just not. You need to bow out of this and learn a craft.
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He can't. Short Bus thinks he's a musical genius.
My brother doesn't think he's a musical genius. He just thinks he's a musician and has written some good songs that he thinks people would enjoy listening to.
The use of AI music as a tool helps him as a songwriter/musician to inexpensively produce a finished version of his songs without having to rely on the music industry to produce a marketable product.
Posted on 10/22/26 at 9:59 am to TheTideMustRoll
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You are telling an AI to generate something for you that you cannot create yourself and then claiming the end result as your own product. I asked a question about whether or not you felt you would be justified in doing the exact same thing if a human was doing the creating rather than a machine. How is that irrelevant?
I already provided you with the example of Andy Warhol doing exactly that.
QED
Posted on 10/22/26 at 10:03 am to Dawglovertoo
And I already told you that I don't care what Andy Warhol did, which I would consider to be illegitimate anyway. I asked you what you think. Do you think you would be justified in claiming someone else's art as your own simply because you told them to make it?
Posted on 10/22/26 at 11:06 am to TheTideMustRoll
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And I already told you that I don't care what Andy Warhol did, which I would consider to be illegitimate anyway. I asked you what you think. Do you think you would be justified in claiming someone else's art as your own simply because you told them to make it?
Apparently you don't know what QED means.
Posted on 10/22/26 at 11:36 am to Dawglovertoo
So then I take it your answer is yes, you believe that it's ok to claim another person's artwork as your own simply because you told them to make it. Wow. QED, as you say.
Posted on 10/22/26 at 11:40 am to TheTideMustRoll
Do you consider this music?
Posted on 10/22/26 at 1:24 pm to Dawglovertoo
Yes, of course, all of that is music. Let me go ahead and preempt the point you are about to try and make - yes, it was made with synthesizers. But no, making music using a synthesizer or other electronic instrument and having music generated for you by an AI are in no way the same thing.
Posted on 10/22/26 at 1:55 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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Yes, of course, all of that is music. Let me go ahead and preempt the point you are about to try and make - yes, it was made with synthesizers. But no, making music using a synthesizer or other electronic instrument and having music generated for you by an AI are in no way the same thing.
I'll make my own point.
At the time the synthesizer was first used many musicians did not consider anything using a synthesizer as music.
Eventually those musicians changed their minds and now using a synthesizer is considered music.
The same thing will eventually happen in regards to using AI to make music.
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