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re: Kings of Leon say new album will not suck - Update, it does in fact suck...
Posted on 9/26/13 at 9:29 pm to bobbyray21
Posted on 9/26/13 at 9:29 pm to bobbyray21
I can buy that somewhat, supposedly Jared couldn't even play bass when the first EP was released. But I also saw them at Voodoo just before RATM and Caleb was fricking pissed that only about 200 people in the very front even cared they were on stage. I don't see this gradual refining process you're describing from the third to the fourth album, I see a band tired of barely breaking even because they only sell well in Europe doing what it takes to sell albums.
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Posted on 9/26/13 at 9:30 pm to bobbyray21
the bigger they got, the more their sound changed, the more their look changed.
they were molded into an arena rock band by their label.
made a lot of money off of some big charting songs, namely sex on fire, but lost a great deal of their original fans.
This post was edited on 9/26/13 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 9/26/13 at 9:33 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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But I also saw them at Voodoo just before RATM and Caleb was fricking pissed that only about 200 people in the very front even cared they were on stage.
in 07? they were barely known then
they didn't break until late 2009 really
Posted on 9/26/13 at 9:36 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I can buy that somewhat, supposedly Jared couldn't even play bass when the first EP was released.
This is actually true.
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I don't see this gradual refining process you're describing from the third to the fourth album, I see a band tired of barely breaking even because they only sell well in Europe doing what it takes to sell albums
But you see the gradual refining from the first to the second to the third?
The fourth album gets a lot of shite because of "sex on fire", and maybe that shite is deserved. I actually hate that song and I hate that it hot big. But I think the rest of that album is excellent. "Use Somebody" may be a blatant attempt to write a huge pop song, but it's also an excellent damn pop song. The rest of the album is solid as well, imo. Revelry and I want you come to mind as standout tracks that I'm not sure a ton of people listened to because they were pissed that "sex on fire" sucked and didn't listent to hte rest of the album.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 9:40 pm to TheDoc
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in 07? they were barely known then
they didn't break until late 2009 really
I started listening to them in 2005. My buddy had "a ha shake" and let me borrow it. I liked it, so I picked up the next one and liked it as well (Ragoo is my favorite KOL song), and only then did I go back listen to the first one.
But back in 2005 when I first started listening to them, very few had heard of them.
Ragoo
Posted on 9/26/13 at 9:40 pm to TheDoc
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in 07? they were barely known then
By 2007 they had definitely started picking up some steam.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 9:42 pm to TheDoc
I would have changed my look too.
Jesus, did his grandmother buy him that sweater?
Posted on 9/26/13 at 9:49 pm to bobbyray21
It isn't horrible. It isn't great either. Pretty much sums it up
Posted on 9/26/13 at 9:50 pm to TheDoc
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in 07? they were barely known then they didn't break until late 2009 really
I first heard them around 2005-06 when I heard four kicks. By 07 most of the people I hung out with were listening to them as well. I graduated in 08 and I can vividly remember listening to them every weekend on the lake both my junior and senior year of high school.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 10:21 pm to CottonWasKing
they were selling out huge venues in europe since 2005 or so..
they were playing 1500 person venues in the states in 2005
I really liked their sound on the first two records, but they wanted to "make it" as a big arena band in the states
they are a band that I can honestly say changed their writing style, and also their appearance to be much more accessible.
they were always a bunch of weirdos
they were playing 1500 person venues in the states in 2005
I really liked their sound on the first two records, but they wanted to "make it" as a big arena band in the states
they are a band that I can honestly say changed their writing style, and also their appearance to be much more accessible.
they were always a bunch of weirdos
Posted on 9/26/13 at 10:32 pm to bobbyray21
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But you see the gradual refining from the first to the second to the third?
I see it, but only slightly. There are tracks on youth that sound less raw than times, but overall I see the gradual trend in production value. I may not have given by the night enough of a shot, but it's hard to argue that album wasn't a huge attitude shift. I never said they weren't good at piecing together ballad pop, I just don't respect ballad pop.
Doc, I first heard them in 04' but yes they weren't very well known until 07' and "On Call" started showing up on playlists. They were well known in Europe but only known here and there in the US. Depending on your stance, from 07' to 08' they either changed radically as artists in under a year, or they made an effort to appeal to US, and the fourth album broke them here.
Posted on 9/26/13 at 10:57 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
IIIIIIIIIII DONT MIIIND SENTIMENTAL GIRRRLS
Posted on 9/26/13 at 11:48 pm to Caplewood
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IIIIIIIIIII DONT MIIIND SENTIMENTAL GIRRRLS
Nobody ever accused Caleb Followill of being a lyrical mastermind.
If you're one of those people who listen to music for the lyrics, then you hate KOL. I'm not one of those people.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 12:00 am to TheDoc
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I really liked their sound on the first two records, but they wanted to "make it" as a big arena band in the states
they are a band that I can honestly say changed their writing style, and also their appearance to be much more accessible.
As has been mentioned earlier the largest stylistic leap between albums came between their second album and their third. The fourth album is where they blew up and that album as a whole isn't terribly different than the third album as far as sound goes.
The only difference is that the 4th album had 'sex on fire' and 'use somebody'. Did they write those songs to become more accessible? Possibly. Can I blame them? I can't. Just like I won't blame Robin Thicke enlisting the services of Pharell and writing a pure pop song when his entire career he'd been putting out soulful love songs. Make your money, Robin.
The only place I draw the line is the Black Eyed Peas situation. They were an underground hip hop, and imho a very good one, and then next thing you know they're a pop act with a white girl as the lead singer. I think the word "sell-out" should be used rarely, and in instances like the black eyed peas where it clearly clearly applies.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:26 am to bobbyray21
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the largest stylistic leap between albums came between their second album and their third. The fourth album is where they blew up and that album as a whole isn't terribly different than the third album as far as sound goes.
Good point.
Another thing to consider is how they were sold when they first came out and the context of that time. Every single article about early KOL had "Southern Fried Strokes" in it. That sound and that look were hot shite in the early 2000s. When BoT came out, Coldplay was arguably the biggest rock band on the planet and things had changed. Fair to ask were they chasing trends from the beginning?
I've also never been quite clear on how legit the backstory- preacher father etc- was. Has always seemed part truth, part marketing ploy to me.
To be clear, none of that particularly matters to me. I like the music, the rest is bullshite. A-Ha and BoT are my two favorites.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 6:41 am to bobbyray21
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The only place I draw the line is the Black Eyed Peas situation. They were an underground hip hop, and imho a very good one, and then next thing you know they're a pop act with a white girl as the lead singer. I think the word "sell-out" should be used rarely, and in instances like the black eyed peas where it clearly clearly applies.
Yeah, BEP's sold out hard core and there's not much denying that.
This post was edited on 9/27/13 at 11:18 am
Posted on 9/27/13 at 10:27 am to Funky Tide 8
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The KOL hate is kind of crazy. I wasnt crazy about their last album, but it had a few good songs on it. Their three albums before that were solid. When the last one came out, it seems like they immediately got the Nickelback stigma.
I am not saying that they are my favorite band, but they have more than a few really great songs.
Agreed. Barring the almost inevitable implosion, they've got a few more good songs under their belt.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 10:58 am to TheDoc
did you see the documentary about them? gives alot of insight into just how messed up they are. they all grew up strict pentecostal. as a recovering pentecostal i understand what this can do to your mind..
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:23 am to bobbyray21
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the largest stylistic leap between albums came between their second album and their third.
This is where we disagree. I like BoT just as much as the first two, and while it does seem a bit more mature and refined, something I don't mind from a band growing up, the core sound and ideas behind the songs are still the same. The vocal style is the deciding factor for me, on BoT Caleb is still using his voice in interesting ways, as a complement to the lead. Chords are there, but the primary rhythm is still bass and the two guitars are mostly just plucking out cool riffs, even if it's not as in your face as the previous albums.
On the fourth album I see the biggest shift, away from that vocal style to more standard holding notes over chords, and those chords simultaneously got more prominent and the lead took a back seat. I just have a hard time calling that maturation, when that's usually the recipe for a radio single and that sort of thing was never really in the playbook before.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 3:40 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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This is where we disagree. I like BoT just as much as the first two, and while it does seem a bit more mature and refined, something I don't mind from a band growing up, the core sound and ideas behind the songs are still the same. The vocal style is the deciding factor for me, on BoT Caleb is still using his voice in interesting ways, as a complement to the lead. Chords are there, but the primary rhythm is still bass and the two guitars are mostly just plucking out cool riffs, even if it's not as in your face as the previous albums.
On the fourth album I see the biggest shift, away from that vocal style to more standard holding notes over chords, and those chords simultaneously got more prominent and the lead took a back seat. I just have a hard time calling that maturation, when that's usually the recipe for a radio single and that sort of thing was never really in the playbook before.
Agree 100%
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