re: I heard someone say yesterday that grunge only had a 5 year run…

IDK about AIC...I mean they were out touring with Ozzy and Sepultura.

Several had long careers...Smashing Pumpkins, Green Day.

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IDK about AIC

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Smashing Pumpkins, Green Day.

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So you don’t know anything.

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You misspelled Alice In Chains.

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Eh, AIC had a hair metal "look" but their music was never anything close to what hair metal was. GNR had the look AND their music was kind of hair metal but had an edge to it as well.

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Eh, AIC had a hair metal "look" but their music was never anything close to what hair metal was. GNR had the look AND their music was kind of hair metal but had an edge to it as well.

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You’re confused.

The comment was:

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bridge from so-called "hair metal" to so-called "grunge"

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AIC was exactly this as they first hit circa 90-91 with what was considered a metal hit song and album, even touring with Anthrax, Megadeth, Slayer. AIC’s following work was right in the vein of grunge. There’s a lot to quibble over but I can’t imagine a better example of a bridge between metal and grunge than AIC.

Steve Huey of AllMusic "While Alice in Chains would go on to do better and more consistent work, Facelift was one of the most important records in establishing an audience for grunge and alternative rock among hard rock and heavy metal listeners, and with its platinum sales certification, it also made Alice in Chains the first Seattle band to break through to a wider, less exclusively underground audience."

GNR was not ever in any way, shape, or form considered grunge. I don’t see how it is a bridge at all.

Calm down baw. You are entitled to your opinion. But I don’t particular give a shite about what some music critic thinks. GNR to me was a departure from traditional hair metal.

I can find music critics who agree with my stance. So what?

Loudwire: How GNR Paved the Way for Grunge

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And thus, GN'R helped bridge the very distinct gap between hair metal and grunge.

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Wow still watching podcasts. Some great stuff. I need to check back over but the video seemed to mention a link earlier one but didn’t really flesh it out.

Here’s what I’ve got so far:
I think while there are some similarities like between GNR and grunge like raw, loud, rebellious, these characteristics are not rare but quite common.
I think it’s much more logical to consider GnR (as well as the other “LA bands”) as another carve out of the rock genre, rather than the next step to grunge.
For example, GNR was different than Motley Crue, Poison, Skid Row, Van Halen…but it wasn’t THAT much different. And it certainly was closer to that (mainstream hard rock/metal) than grunge. Another example, at 10m they are describing quite impressively what grunge was and was about, but for the most part none of those descriptions relate to GnR’s persona and music.

Also varies by band. Ex:
GnR versus Nirvana - many similarities.
GnR versus Soundgarden - very different.

GnR wasn’t within a thousand miles of grunge…they had guitar solos, like real solos. They had metal drumming where the kick was on the 1 and 3 and the snare was on the 2 and 4. The ONLY similarity they had with grunge is they both had a “sloppy, trashy” sound…as for as a bridge, AIC is the answer. Of course this is all merely my opinion, buts it one that I happen to agree with.

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The bridge was probably Facelift and Ritual de lo Habitual due to their popularity and in a sense you couldn't exactly place a label on them. Is it metal? Is it alternative? Is it post-punk? Is it goth? what did those two have in common? Dave Jerden. I don't consider Jane's grunge but they were not the typical LA hair band either. They were something different. Even Soundgarden was making some noise by 1990. They couldn't figure out where to play Soundgarden or AIC videos. Headbangers ball or 120 Minutes so they did both.

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Was coming to post about Janes Addiction. I agree with your post. Ritual blew me away in HS in 1990. Then Nirvana destroyed the hair band era in 91 almost overnight. It just so happened that some really good Seattle bands released great music at that time and “grunge” was the new shiny thing for corporations to package.

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understand what you are saying. I think we disagree more on what we mean by “bridge”.

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Well, rest assured that you made the point well enough that I went from 0 to maybe/possibly on my position, and an still reading and pondering

I think if you were forced to pick one band, it would have to be AIC, but note that it’s more happenstance than any deliberate endeavor (at least by the band). As Cdawg mentioned, Facelift came out and the industry and fans didn’t know what to do with it, so it persisted in Rock/Metal land for a short while (maybe a year?). Then when it all hit (and quickly) and grunge was “formed,” the album and the band were (properly) instantly absorbed into it.

The LA bands certainly were something different but if you open up that can of worms, you could never put it to one or even a few bands because there were so many. You could say that their music collectively opened up the consciousness of fans to something other than mainstream rock/metal, but I’m not sure where else you can go with that. So the bridge there would be: Here is mainstream rock/metal; the LA bands (late 80s building to 1990) were something different and cool; and then 91-92, here is this grunge thing that’s very different and cool. And on.