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How did Rock and Metal grow so far apart?

Posted on 3/20/18 at 8:24 pm
Posted by TDcline
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 8:24 pm
It seems that not long ago there was a number of bands that could cross the Rock/Metal lines and have sounds of both. Bands like System of a Down, Pantera, Tool (who will hopefully have an album out soon), Chevelle (who are still putting out decent stuff), and a few others but it seems that these bands are becoming just so rare.

If I search for a good metal playlist on Spotify or look at top metal tracks on iTunes, all I get is black metal, which all sounds the same. You've heard one black metal band you've heard them all IMO. Then there's the Rock/Hard Rock scene. It's absolutely absent. When "Imagine Dragons" is not only considered rock but is the biggest rock band, we have a huge problem.

It seems the two genres are just growing further and further apart. Rock is getting softer and poppish, while Metal is getting darker and impossible to follow any lyrics. Just guttural noises over double base drums and distortion.

Why is this happening? Is this anyone else's observation?
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
42606 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:26 pm to
Metal is extremely diverse. Everything from Poison to Mayhem is considered metal. You should be able to find something you like.

Imagine Dragons is pop, same as Katy Perry or Taylor Swift. Still plenty of good rock bands. You have Shinedown, Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace, etc if you want radio friendly generic rock. Dig a little deeper and get into Clutch, Ghost, Mastodon, The Sword, Alice in Chains. Lots of options.
Posted by RabidTiger
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:58 pm to
Mastodon, Gojira, Lamb of God, Queens of the Stone Age, Baroness. These are some accessible tracks from all of these bands, but they all have pretty diverse catalogues (maybe not LOG so much). Generally the further back you go the more extreme.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:45 pm to
I don’t think I’ve ever considered Tool to be metal. For a while, there was a sub-genre called “hard rock” which they may have fell into. But Tool is a prog band.

I agree though that there were more bands that sort of blurred the lines between metal and rock, like Metallica. Opeth also comes to mind. These days there don’t seem to be many bands like that. They either go hard or or more just rock.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 5:41 am to
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I don’t think I’ve ever considered Tool to be metal.


Frankly, Tool is genre-defying. I can see metal, progressive and hard rock all applying - sort of. Tool, for good or bad, sort of falls into the category of Tool.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
6219 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 7:43 am to
There are a lot of very good bands out there right now, but they don't really get the mainstream play. If you have XM check out Octane or Turbo.

Besides the aforementioned Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace, etc. you also have bands like Nothing More, Red, Red Sun Rising, Of Mice & Men, Bad Wolves, I Prevail, and Otherwise
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:49 am to
Metal and rock really split when grunge took over and metal became defined by Pantera. Metal for so long was a genre about pushing the envelope of “hardness”. So many bands went out just trying to one up Pantera and then each other until they basically ran out of “hard” places to go, leaving the genre a little stagnant, kind of like jazz after bebop, with only a niche appeal.

Mainstream rock was pushed off of radio and pushed out of pop music leaving it with an identity crisis in the late 2000’s. Bands like Alabama Shakes, Black Keys, Tame Impala, and Cage the Elephant tried to take it in more of a psychodelic blues based direction, but alt radio instead took it into the indie british techno pop direction, basically using alt radio as a dumping ground for pop acts that couldn’t crack the top 40 in the U.S.

The ladder for mainstream success for new rock and roll artists has largely been pulled up since 2005. There’s no infrastructure to bring it to those unwilling to truly hunt for it. That leaves just the stars of the grunge revolution in the 90’s as the only remaining true rock stars and pop culture icons, a status they thoroughly rejected and attempted to rebel against in the 90’s. Left as the standard bearers of a dying genre in the mainstream consciousness, they’re dropping like flies. It’s almost as if the rock world is just waiting for some band to come out of nowhere and start a new renaissance, be the face of a new movement that can unite metal with rock again.
This post was edited on 3/22/18 at 9:30 am
Posted by cave canem
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 9:38 am to
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The ladder for mainstream success for new rock and roll artists has largely been pulled up since 2005. There’s no infrastructure to bring it to those unwilling to truly hunt for it



I will go out on a limb and predict the death of the pop-country assault on our ears brings about a rock revival, it runs in cycles
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
40173 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 10:49 am to
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I will go out on a limb and predict the death of the pop-country assault on our ears brings about a rock revival, it runs in cycles
I feel like we're 25 years into this supposed cycle. It might just be permanent.
Posted by RockAndRollDetective
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:11 am to
I have an old Creem magazine from the late 70s that actually includes REO Speedwagon and Boston in an article called "Heavy Metal Roundup" where they give brief flippant comments about bands they consider still relevant in that genre at the time.

That's just a snapshot of the ever-moving target of the "heavy metal" genre distinctions and how completely futile it is to try and pin it down. Nobody has ever and will ever agree on where the lines are drawn but the evergreen debate about it tops the list as some of the dumbest discussions about music I've ever been privy to.

Present company excluded of course.
Posted by TDcline
American Gardens building 11th flor
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:14 am to
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It’s almost as if the rock world is just waiting for some band to come out of nowhere and start a new renaissance, be the face of a new movement that can unite metal with rock again.


I've been thinking this and desperately waiting on it for years now. I'm sure there are some great hard rock bands out there with good songs that can't get discovered because the current 'scene' doesn't allow for it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:49 am to
Good rock music has introspective lyrics and/or a rebellious theme. We're living in a fairly muted society and probably need a social revolution to occur for the next wave to appear
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68603 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 1:06 pm to
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How did Rock and Metal grow so far apart?

Metal has just grown in different directions but mostly harder/edgier where as rock just has a new meaning now; it's more pop than rock
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 1:16 pm to
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I've been thinking this and desperately waiting on it for years now. I'm sure there are some great hard rock bands out there with good songs that can't get discovered because the current 'scene' doesn't allow for it.


We need a good ole 60's/70's style spiritual revival
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
42606 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 1:22 pm to
This board seems to think Greta Van Fleet is the next big thing so maybe we can get some bands that blatantly rip off Deep Purple and Thin Lizzy next.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71198 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:24 pm to
White Denim rips of Thin Lizzy some, but I’m cool with it.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 4:22 pm to
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Bands like System of a Down, Pantera, Tool


I dunno man, in my mind these arent rock bands.


quote:

Rock is getting softer and poppish


Could not agree more.
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