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re: Guns N' Roses' November Rain Just Hit 1 Billion Views
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:45 am to Sayre
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:45 am to Sayre
Axl's idols in music were Bowie, Elton John, and Freddie Mercury. I think the Use Your Illusion ballads were always the kind of songs he wanted to write and perform.
In my mind, Appetite for Destruction was the type of music Slash, Stradlin, and Duff wanted to play whereas the UYI ballads were what Axl wanted to play. It explains why they broke up soon after they finished touring the album and the original guys have never recorded even 1 original song together. And Velvet Revolver sounds like a much cleaner, refined version of old Guns N Roses instrumentally.
Then, Axl got into industrial music a bit and that touches some of Chinese Democracy, although that album also has some Use Your Illusion-style songs on it.
In my mind, Appetite for Destruction was the type of music Slash, Stradlin, and Duff wanted to play whereas the UYI ballads were what Axl wanted to play. It explains why they broke up soon after they finished touring the album and the original guys have never recorded even 1 original song together. And Velvet Revolver sounds like a much cleaner, refined version of old Guns N Roses instrumentally.
Then, Axl got into industrial music a bit and that touches some of Chinese Democracy, although that album also has some Use Your Illusion-style songs on it.
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Posted on 7/22/18 at 4:18 am to Keys Open Doors
up vote for originality and actual content
Honestly - Had to sneak a preview to even remember the song and then immediately removed it from ear range - (Kinda like my dead uncle use to do whenever The Beatles came on) - Some say it sucks getting old, but if it means never hearing that song again, it somehow makes it better.
Honestly - Had to sneak a preview to even remember the song and then immediately removed it from ear range - (Kinda like my dead uncle use to do whenever The Beatles came on) - Some say it sucks getting old, but if it means never hearing that song again, it somehow makes it better.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:36 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Who else was in the "gritty LA scene"?
Faster Pussycat
LA Guns
Jane's Addiction
After GNR blew up, you started to see more of the grit and less of the hair.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:44 am to Keys Open Doors
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In my mind, Appetite for Destruction was the type of music Slash, Stradlin, and Duff wanted to play whereas the UYI ballads were what Axl wanted to play.
A lot of people don't remember how the vinyl and cassettes of AFD were labeled 'G' and 'R'. The 'G' side was the grittier and sleezier stuff and the 'R' side was the more ballady or romantic stuff that Axl steered to .
November Rain, Don't Cry, and a couple others were already written and I believe had been demoed and were part of their live shows at times, and they could have been on AFD. But the already had SCOM and a couple other 'softer' tunes on it and that was enough ballads for that album and what they were trying to achieve.
This is what I think of when I hear a lot of those songs.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 10:46 am
Posted on 7/22/18 at 2:42 pm to Sayre
I knew about the Guns side and the Roses side, but I never understood how Paradise City was track 6. I wonder if that was switched over with My Michelle or Anything Goes so the raunchiest stuff wasn't all front-loaded.
I didn't know that November Rain was ready to be released by 1987 though. I imagine the 1987 version was shorter and a lot more streamlined instrumentally though simply because Axl wouldn't have the money (or the clout with Geffen) to have the elaborate instrumentals in the second half of the song.
I didn't know that November Rain was ready to be released by 1987 though. I imagine the 1987 version was shorter and a lot more streamlined instrumentally though simply because Axl wouldn't have the money (or the clout with Geffen) to have the elaborate instrumentals in the second half of the song.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 2:48 pm to Keys Open Doors
Traci Guns says Axl was working on November Rain as far back as 1983 when he was in LA Guns.
Slash said in his book that an 18 minute version of the song was recorded in 1986 before the AFD sessions.
Slash said in his book that an 18 minute version of the song was recorded in 1986 before the AFD sessions.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:29 pm to Sayre
Watching a replay of GnR on AXS TV right now. Doesn’t seem like it but they played the Superdome almost 2 years ago 7/31. was front row on rail for show and don’t care who says what it was a damn good show. Estranged and civil war were highlights but seeing Slash hit those notes during November Rain took me back to high school
Posted on 7/23/18 at 12:55 am to Sayre
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Slash said in his book that an 18 minute version of the song was recorded in 1986 before the AFD sessions
Damn, I wonder what it sounded like with just the 5 of them playing. I didn't realize Axl was as ambitious with his music before the success of Appetite.
I went to the concert in 2016. It was awesome and everyone around me enjoyed it as well. THere were a couple of guys who flew in from Honduras just for the concert.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 1:22 am to Keys Open Doors
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Damn, I wonder what it sounded like with just the 5 of them playing.
They just released the that recording on one of the bonus disk for the reissue of Appetite For Destruction.
This is an edited 10 minute version from that session It's on the 4th disk of the deluxe version, along with a acoustic version from the same session.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 1:26 am
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:31 am to Sayre
quote:Eh. Jane's obviously went their own direction (to the point I don't even consider them part of the scene.) The other 2 you mentioned, while having a few decent tunes, aren't even in the same ballpark as even most of the B and C hair metal bands. I don't really agree with your analysis here of the scene. The fattest days for the likes of Poison and Warrant were post-AFD. Those years also saw the rise of the truly fluffy stuff like Enuff Z Nuff, Pretty Boy Floyd and Bullet Boys.
Faster Pussycat
LA Guns
Jane's Addiction
If I were trying to create your list, I might have added Bang Tango.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:36 am to Sayre
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This is what I think of when I hear a lot of those songs.
Seems like your beef should more be with Lies. Patience and I Used to Love Her. Personally, I remember being floored when Lies came out because it demonstrated some versatility. And I love the Illusions - because it has something for everyone. Yes yes yes - November Rain. But I don't believe that single was released until the summer of '92 (album release date 9-17-91). Don't forget the lead single was prior to that - You Could Be Mine for T2.
Don't Damn Me is my favorite track off of either, and that's about as raw as it gets. I still think the intro there is the most quintessential Les-Paul-Through-a-Marshall-Stack sound I've ever heard.
There's just so much fun stuff. I can't tell you how many bachelor parties I've been to where it eventually devolved into signing the chorus for You Ain't the First over and over and over.
How about this - we can agree to pretend that My World never existed?
Posted on 7/23/18 at 1:01 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I don't really agree with your analysis here of the scene.
Doesn't bother me, since both your knowledge or evaluation of the scene and taste in music in general is suspect at times.
Bullet Boys was not fluffy. Not great, but not fluffy. Smooth Up In Ya and Money, Money were not half bad at the time.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 7/23/18 at 1:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Seems like your beef should more be with Lies.
Lies is awesome.
Axl never sounds more like Ethyl Merman than on the live version of Live And Let Die (except for the one from The Ritz).
Just got though listening to AFD again today. Holy shite, but his vocals just have not held up that well on some of those songs. It was so unique when it came out, but now, esp on songs like Paradise City, it seems lacking. About half and half for the album as a whole.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 2:28 pm to Sayre
quote:Ok, agree to disagree. I thought it was terrible, even in the moment. I think I'd rather listen to Dangerous Toys.
Bullet Boys was not fluffy. Not great, but not fluffy. Smooth Up In Ya and Money, Money were not half bad at the time.
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