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re: Beatles obsession thread
Posted on 12/2/23 at 3:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 12/2/23 at 3:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
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And Yesterday
What's crazy is that Paul wrote that when he was 19. Those lyrics, w/that scope and depth, coming from a 19-yr.old is just crazy.
Paul is tGOAT. Period. I've long maintained that the day he leaves this realm will be the day that the music truly dies
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Posted on 12/2/23 at 3:54 pm to Shanegolang
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I love the Beatles. I'm amazed when someone says they don't like them.
I'm okay when people say they don't like them. That's fine. As long as you respect what they accomplished and what they still mean to music than you're good in my book.
It's when people call them overrated that gets me mad.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 3:56 pm to TFTC
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Ticket to Ride.
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John also claimed this was the first heavy metal song
See I've always thought that Helter Skelter was the first metal song.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 3:59 pm to Mizz-SEC
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It's pretty clear John was the driver to get them to the top and Paul was the driver to keep them there
This pretty much sums it up.
Paul pretty much ran the band from 68-70 while John was strung out on heroin and banging Yoko.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:55 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:It's maybe the first outright metal, but Ticket to Ride hints at a lot of elements.
See I've always thought that Helter Skelter was the first metal song.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 2:57 pm to Big Scrub TX
GOAT band. Hot take, I know.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:09 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Paul pretty much ran the band from 68-70 while John was strung out on heroin and banging Yoko.
I would say it started before then. More like Sgt. Pepper / death of Brian Epstein.
John was already checking out around Rubber Soul, getting fat and lazy as a married manhaving to be cajoled into writing songs, while Paul was living in London dialed in on all the latest happenings. Yoko actually helped get Lennon out of his wedded rut until she became his mother / controller.
The real sin of Paul as the defacto leader was not recognizing and helping George cultivate his blossoming talents. Instead he treated him like a hired sideman, only worried about his own songs and projects, which justifiably led to resentment.
At a certain point they were destined to split, but Paul's leadership lacked empathy and cooperation.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:It's riddled w/errors, half truths, & outright lies.
Here, There and Everywhere: My Life Recording The Beatles - written by sound engineer Geoff Emerick from the POV of the studio
Has anyone else read this? It's an amazing amount of detail from the studio.
At that point Emerick was kissing Paul's arse, probably in hope of working with him again.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:49 pm to Kafka
quote:I read some criticism of the book and registered some of the complaints as valid. But it still seemed absurdly rich with interesting details.
It's riddled w/errors, half truths, & outright lies.
quote:Sounds like they were pretty close. I mean, he worked on the new Anthology songs and (at least claims) Paul was the best man at his wedding.
At that point Emerick was kissing Paul's arse, probably in hope of working with him again.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:55 pm to Mizz-SEC
quote:Not a bad take, and I agree with a lot of it.
I would say it started before then. More like Sgt. Pepper / death of Brian Epstein.
John was already checking out around Rubber Soul, getting fat and lazy as a married manhaving to be cajoled into writing songs, while Paul was living in London dialed in on all the latest happenings. Yoko actually helped get Lennon out of his wedded rut until she became his mother / controller.
The real sin of Paul as the defacto leader was not recognizing and helping George cultivate his blossoming talents. Instead he treated him like a hired sideman, only worried about his own songs and projects, which justifiably led to resentment.
At a certain point they were destined to split, but Paul's leadership lacked empathy and cooperation.
The Epstein thing was huge. It's sort of crazy to think of how much they listened to him and took directions from him on a daily basis, even after they became THE BEATLES. Once he died, if Paul hadn't have quasi stepped into the same role, we wouldn't have even gotten what we ended up getting (White Album, Abbey Road, Let It Be, various singles.)
To be fair, George Martin and John Lennon both failed to recognize Harrison as well - Martin quite self-admittedly so.
I think, in the final wash, it's amazing how long they stayed together in the first place, not the opposite. It wasn't Paul. It wasn't Yoko. It just WAS.
And that's before we talk about Lennon INSISTING on shoehorning Allen Klein into the mix. Paul quite intelligently rejected that from the get go. One could plausibly argue that this was the single most relevant thing that broke the up.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:21 pm to Big Scrub TX
Beatlemaniacs will be interested in a new bio of Mal Evans, Fab roadie/assistant/handler, sometimes called the "6th Beatle"*
Mal Evans' diary entry for the Abbey Road photo session:
ETA: Podcast interview with the author
*The 5th Beatle was Neil Aspinall. Still awaiting a bio of him
Mal Evans' diary entry for the Abbey Road photo session:
ETA: Podcast interview with the author
*The 5th Beatle was Neil Aspinall. Still awaiting a bio of him
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:28 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:He came up with the music when he was 19-20. The original "dummy" lyric was: "Scrambled eggs, someday soon you'll have to shave your legs."
What's crazy is that Paul wrote that when he was 19. Those lyrics, w/that scope and depth, coming from a 19-yr.old is just crazy.
He wrote the final lyrics a couple of years later.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:33 pm to Kafka
quote:Bought it last week the day it came out. CANNOT WAIT!
Beatlemaniacs will be interested in a new bio of Mal Evans, Fab roadie/assistant/handler, sometimes called the "6th Beatle"*
Mal features pretty prominently in the Emmerick book. If I had not read that first, I would barely have noticed him when watching Get Back; instead, I was virtually transfixed by him.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:36 pm to Kafka
quote:Entry #13,345 as evidence supporting my long-time contention that lyrics are WAY easier than the actual music, despite most people's near-complete focus on them. Paul's enduring genius is as a melody-writer.
He came up with the music when he was 19-20. The original "dummy" lyric was: "Scrambled eggs, someday soon you'll have to shave your legs."
He wrote the final lyrics a couple of years later.
Harrison didn't write "attracts me like no other lover" in place of "attracts me like a pomegranate" until the very end.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:37 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:I had never heard this before.quote:John also claimed this was the first heavy metal song
Ticket to Ride.
A rather silly claim. TTR is folk rock, not metal
quote:My nominee
See I've always thought that Helter Skelter was the first metal song
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Entry #13,345 as evidence supporting my long-time contention that lyrics are WAY easier than the actual music, despite most people's near-complete focus on them.
"Hey man, nobody said we were as good as Johnny Mercer." - Bob Dylan, 1980s
Posted on 12/4/23 at 5:11 pm to Kafka
Beatles recording
I like this. This guy pulls from a lot of sources and is pretty detailed. Can’t vouch for 100% accuracy since I wasn’t there.
I like this. This guy pulls from a lot of sources and is pretty detailed. Can’t vouch for 100% accuracy since I wasn’t there.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 6:22 pm to Mizz-SEC
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I would say it started before then. More like Sgt. Pepper / death of Brian Epstein.
John was already checking out around Rubber Soul, getting fat and lazy as a married manhaving to be cajoled into writing songs, while Paul was living in London dialed in on all the latest happenings. Yoko actually helped get Lennon out of his wedded rut until she became his mother / controller.
The real sin of Paul as the defacto leader was not recognizing and helping George cultivate his blossoming talents. Instead he treated him like a hired sideman, only worried about his own songs and projects, which justifiably led to resentment.
At a certain point they were destined to split, but Paul's leadership lacked empathy and cooperation.
I can't argue any of this except that Paul wasn't alone in not recognizing/shunning George. John and Martin were equally as culpable.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 6:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Paul's enduring genius is as a melody-writer.
100%
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:35 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Those are mainly edgy Millennials. Clueless.
This not-so-edgy Millennial considers the Beatles to be the most important thing to happen to modern music and spent several years listening to their later albums almost exclusively.
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