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Any guitar experts? Help with amp feedback in a live setting
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:48 pm
So I recently started playing with a group of guys to do some live covers but the times that we practice at full volume I get enormous amounts of feedback. It mainly occurs when I have the strings muted which I heard can be a pickup issue. I play a Kiesel guitar with their in-house lithium pickups and I've heard those can have issues as well and a lot of people replace theirs. I'm able to suppress it if I turn down the volume knob on my guitar and turn down the gain but then my guitar gets drowned out, especially when I play high notes and solos. I'll probably at least try a noise suppressor (would like recommendations on a good one) but wanted to know if there are other things I should be worried about or thinking of. I'd hate to have to get the pickups replaced but if I have to I will.
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Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:14 pm to tehchampion140
How close are you to the amp? Are you sure where it is coming from? Sounds like it is pretty loud there.
I know when I get right up on mine while playing live it will talk to me a little bit.
I know when I get right up on mine while playing live it will talk to me a little bit.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:24 pm to wareaglepete
Yeah the noise is definitely from me because it goes away completely if I turn the volume down all the way. I'm usually standing about 6-7 feet from the amp and facing away from it. It's a small garage that we practice in so I don't have much room to get further than that. I wouldn't mind a little noise and I understand it's impossible to get rid of all the noise when you're cranked up loud but I definitely need to do something because either the feedback is too much or you can't hear my playing. If it helps to describe it more it's a very loud hum that almost sounds like a 12th fret harmonic on the low E string just ringing out constantly if I'm not playing any notes.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:57 pm to tehchampion140
Are you using pedals? Could be your power supply.
I used to struggle with feedback issues in live performances. What fixed it was actually lowering my pickups so they weren’t so close to the strings.
I used to struggle with feedback issues in live performances. What fixed it was actually lowering my pickups so they weren’t so close to the strings.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 5:25 pm to kingbob
Yeah I run multiple effects so I have a CS12 power supply. Most reviews say it does a good job not making the signal noisy. Might try that pickup trick if the noise suppressor fails, thanks.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 6:01 pm to tehchampion140
What you're describing doesn't sound like feedback to me. If it happens when you mute the strings, it's not feedback.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 6:10 pm to kingbob
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What fixed it was actually lowering my pickups so they weren’t so close to the strings.
I believe that's going to be the problem.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 7:17 pm to tehchampion140
Too loud or too much preamp gain are the usual culprits. Probably too loud for the space you’re in.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:09 pm to Kcprogguitar
Kcprogguitar is correct, and it sounds like you are pushing an underpowered amp too hard, beyond its comfy zones.
Other left field possibility ... do your pickups have metal caps? Unpotted pickups and capped pickups alike can generate uncontrollable feedback (the cap can rattle against the bobbin tops). Also, occasionally it's a loose pickup baseplate. It will vibrate and generate feedback.
Other left field possibility ... do your pickups have metal caps? Unpotted pickups and capped pickups alike can generate uncontrollable feedback (the cap can rattle against the bobbin tops). Also, occasionally it's a loose pickup baseplate. It will vibrate and generate feedback.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:50 pm to TheFretShack
No cap on the pickup. I might just have to combine using a noise suppressor and using less gain. Whatever I can do to max out the volume as much as possible so I can hear what I'm playing and it isn't drowned out by the other instruments. My amp is an orange crush pro 120 combo so it should have plenty of power to crank the volume.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:08 pm to tehchampion140
Have you tried playing with a noise gate? Just to see
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:12 pm to tehchampion140
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Whatever I can do to max out the volume as much as possible so I can hear what I'm playing and it isn't drowned out by the other instruments. My amp is an orange crush pro 120 combo so it should have plenty of power to crank the volume.
Also, is there a PA? You could always lower the gain to about 6 or 7 and mic the cab.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:32 pm to SEClint
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Have you tried playing with a noise gate? Just to see
Don't have one but I'm going to look into buying one.
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Also, is there a PA? You could always lower the gain to about 6 or 7 and mic the cab.
Don't have a set up like that unfortunately but may mention it to them and see what they think.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 2:47 am to tehchampion140
If you do go that route, I'd recommend an unpowered mixer and a pair of active PA cabinets. Spend most of your money on speakers and get a mixer you intend to upgrade when you can financially.
Even possibly a Behringer 802 or Behringer Xenyx 1202 would probably work well.
If you can, try running another guitar through your rig. See if the problems persist, with electric guitar and bass you're hoping to get the best signal at the source, and some are better than others..even if the same brand and model.
Mic your cabinet with a SHURE SM57, or SM58 microphone. If buying one of those used, dont use ebay. Amazon is the only licensed dealer and the chinese apparently make a killing off fake microphones. Or buy new directly from SHURE, sweetwater, etc. Those mics are worth the investment.
Best mic imo for recording guitar.
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What kind of music you going for? And also, a BOSS NS-2 Noise Suppressor is a good gate to have. Ebay would be just fine for those.
Even possibly a Behringer 802 or Behringer Xenyx 1202 would probably work well.
If you can, try running another guitar through your rig. See if the problems persist, with electric guitar and bass you're hoping to get the best signal at the source, and some are better than others..even if the same brand and model.
Mic your cabinet with a SHURE SM57, or SM58 microphone. If buying one of those used, dont use ebay. Amazon is the only licensed dealer and the chinese apparently make a killing off fake microphones. Or buy new directly from SHURE, sweetwater, etc. Those mics are worth the investment.
Best mic imo for recording guitar.
ETA
What kind of music you going for? And also, a BOSS NS-2 Noise Suppressor is a good gate to have. Ebay would be just fine for those.
This post was edited on 2/29/20 at 3:17 am
Posted on 2/29/20 at 10:35 am to SEClint
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What kind of music you going for?
We play a mix of classic and more modern stuff, things like Zeppelin, Rush, Alice in Chains, Highly Suspect, etc. Mostly high energy loud stuff.
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And also, a BOSS NS-2 Noise Suppressor is a good gate to have. Ebay would be just fine for those.
Yeah that one seemed to be highly recommended during my internet search. My pedal board will be almost entirely Boss but what can I say, they make good stuff haha.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 11:05 am to tehchampion140
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My pedal board will be almost entirely Boss but what can I say, they make good stuff haha.
The BOSS HM2 is a staple of my board. It was made in the early 80s and I love what's been done with it in metal.
This post was edited on 2/29/20 at 11:07 am
Posted on 2/29/20 at 1:25 pm to SEClint
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The BOSS HM2 is a staple of my board. It was made in the early 80s and I love what's been done with it in metal.
THE sound of swedish black metal.
This post was edited on 2/29/20 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 2/29/20 at 5:27 pm to jdd48
120 SS watts is nothing near even a 35 watt tube amp as far as true volume nor your ability to penetrate a mix. Gain is actually counterproductive in a pushed SS, particularly if it's causing uncontrollable feedback. You'd do better backing your preamp gain knob incrementally until the uncontrollable feedback can be tamed.
I'd recommend playing with noise supressors, EQs and the like with the master volume no higher than 5. Anything more than that and you are just adding trash to your signal. And adjust the amp's gain for where you are putting that master. You can push one or the other hard, but not both, as you've figured out already.
I'd recommend playing with noise supressors, EQs and the like with the master volume no higher than 5. Anything more than that and you are just adding trash to your signal. And adjust the amp's gain for where you are putting that master. You can push one or the other hard, but not both, as you've figured out already.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 8:09 pm to jdd48
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THE sound of swedish black metal.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 8:16 pm to TheFretShack
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120 SS watts is nothing near even a 35 watt tube amp as far as true volume nor your ability to penetrate a mix. Gain is actually counterproductive in a pushed SS, particularly if it's causing uncontrollable feedback. You'd do better backing your preamp gain knob incrementally until the uncontrollable feedback can be tamed.
I'd recommend playing with noise supressors, EQs and the like with the master volume no higher than 5. Anything more than that and you are just adding trash to your signal. And adjust the amp's gain for where you are putting that master. You can push one or the other hard, but not both, as you've figured out already.
Thanks for the advice. I still have a lot to learn about tone crafting so this is good to know. Definitely gonna play more with the volume/gain and add on the NS-2 and hopefully next time i play the sound will be a lot cleaner.
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