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About Keith Richard(s)
Posted on 10/29/12 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 10/29/12 at 10:32 pm
So, I was drinking a Makers Mark and soda and waiting on some Turkish/Persian food to take home tonight and I started thinking about Keef.
I'm a long time Stones fan, and I think in some ways he's under appreciated as a guitar player. Bill Wyman said (long after he retired) that Richards was the greatest "rhythm guitar" player in rock and roll . . . no contest. That's probably true. But I also think that misses the fact that the guy has come up with some of the coolest, most memorable solos in rock history. And, yes, that is him playing and not Jones, Taylor or Wood on some of the best cuts. Not to mention, he's invented the greatest guitar riffs in history.
Sorry . . . rambling. Anyway, thoughts?
I'm a long time Stones fan, and I think in some ways he's under appreciated as a guitar player. Bill Wyman said (long after he retired) that Richards was the greatest "rhythm guitar" player in rock and roll . . . no contest. That's probably true. But I also think that misses the fact that the guy has come up with some of the coolest, most memorable solos in rock history. And, yes, that is him playing and not Jones, Taylor or Wood on some of the best cuts. Not to mention, he's invented the greatest guitar riffs in history.
Sorry . . . rambling. Anyway, thoughts?
This post was edited on 10/29/12 at 10:43 pm
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Posted on 10/29/12 at 10:38 pm to VOR
Often overlooked when the "legends" are discussed but still one of the most colorful and entertaining characters in rock & roll. He represents the "badass", don't-give-a-shite attitude that counterbalanced the Beatles clean and pure image during the British Invasion. 
Posted on 10/29/12 at 10:56 pm to VOR
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the guy has come up with some of the coolest, most memorable solos in rock history
Not really. He's a phenomenal guitar player but people love the big guitar solos that blow them away. That isn't Richards' style. He's the guy at the bar that sits there drinking his whiskey on the rocks, kicking your arse in pool, and without even really trying...takes your chick. His genius is in his laid back attitude.
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Not to mention, he's invented the greatest guitar riffs in history.
His strength. He doesn't do the 30 second solos that make you jab your fist in the air, he does the repeating riffs than you have you air-fricking for 4 minutes...and then another 4 hours afterwards because you can't get the riff out of your head.
This post was edited on 10/29/12 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:00 pm to Srbtiger06
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but people love the big guitar solos that blow them away.
Yeah. There are some kids who are impressed by how many notes you can play in a three minute solo. Never was one of them. That's athletics, not music.
ETA: Gimme Shelter and Sympathy for the Devil, e.g., have great solos. And, yes, he played them .
This post was edited on 10/29/12 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:01 pm to VOR
Dead Flowers
One of my favorite solos ever.
One of my favorite solos ever.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:05 pm to TigerNlc
I read his autibio a few months back. He goes into detail about his "five string" guitar technique, but the book was notable mostly for how much he dissed Brian Jones.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:18 pm to VOR
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Yeah. There are some kids who are impressed by how many notes you can play in a three minute solo. Never was one of them. That's athletics, not music.
You're in the minority
. ETA: Not saying I subscribe to that theory because I'm the polar opposite. Guitar solos have to fit into the song. Way too many players throw them in just because it is the status quo.
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Gimme Shelter and Sympathy for the Devil, e.g., have great solos. And, yes, he played them .
They're great but they don't really fit into the 'solo category' of today. Even in context they're good, not amazing. I'm by NO means saying they aren't good though.
His genius is his riffs while solos are his weakspot. They were/are solid but they aren't anything mind blowing. All things considered, that isn't saying much.
Listen to SFTD and Gimme Shelter. The solos are good but they aren't even close to the best part of the songs.
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I read his autibio a few months back. He goes into detail about his "five string" guitar technique, but the book was notable mostly for how much he dissed Brian Jones.
I'm a big Richards fan but that was one of the worst bios I've read. It spent too much time bitching about Keith and, like you said, Brian Jones. He comes off terribly whiny.
This post was edited on 10/29/12 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:22 pm to Srbtiger06
Many times . . . less is more. It's what you don't play.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:35 pm to VOR
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Many times . . . less is more. It's what you don't play.
Like I said, THAT is his genius. Not only does he know when not to play, but he knows WHEN and WHAT to play. I can't name a single song he overplayed. Same with Ringo. The beauty is in their simplicity.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 6:01 am to Kafka
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He's the guy at the bar that sits there drinking his whiskey on the rocks, kicking your arse in pool, and without even really trying...takes your chick. His genius is in his laid back attitude.
Good assessment. I love KR. He jokes about how one day he's going to learn to play guitar. He just seems like a really cool guy IRL. He calls Mick "Brenda" and "Her Majesty." quote:
mostly for how much he dissed Brian Jones.
BJ was the "true" musician of the band; he could play any instrument placed in front of him. However, it's pretty bad when you're fired from the Stones for your drug abuse.
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Sympathy for the Devil, e.g., have great solos. And, yes, he played them .
Listen to SftD on Get Your Ya Ya's Out; you can definitely tell which soloist is Keith and which one is Mick Taylor. Both are awesome.
This post was edited on 10/30/12 at 6:08 am
Posted on 10/30/12 at 6:24 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
definitely appreciated by this guy... Although they have their place, solos are overrated for me...
This post was edited on 10/30/12 at 10:28 am
Posted on 10/30/12 at 8:26 am to Srbtiger06
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The beauty is in their simplicity.
Well, it's sort of like I said in the OP. The solo in Gimme Shelter is simple, but it's truly memorable and, frankly, perfect for the song. So, in my opinion, that's what makes it great. Could you imagine someone "shredding" some fast paced solo during that run in the song? It would be ridiculous and would destroy the song.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 10:18 am to VOR
He's the antithesis of almost every guitar player in rock n roll, which is why he is so awesome. He plays the fricking riff. No one wants to hear you jag off for five minutes, that's when I go get another beer. Guitarists will ruin rock n roll given a chance.
Yeah, he only plays about four chords. Four AWESOME chords. Simplicity.
Yeah, he only plays about four chords. Four AWESOME chords. Simplicity.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 10:52 am to Baloo
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Yeah, he only plays about four chords. Four AWESOME chords. Simplicity.
That's the whole band's mojo. Charlie is Ringo with a little more flare. He never "overdrums".
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