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re: Would Harry Potter had been better with Richard Harris living and playing out Dumbledore?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 5:30 pm to NeauxDice
Posted on 10/19/21 at 5:30 pm to NeauxDice
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Neither version was perfect but Harris' version was so...boring, almost pointless. A sweet kindly grandfather figure that didn't do jack in the plot. Gambon's version had flaws but at least he was an actual character.
I mean that is kinda what he was in the first two books. Didn't really have much in plot and kinda filled that role for Harry. He never really got into where there was a lot of plot to him.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 5:31 pm
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 6:45 pm to Frac the world
I always felt like they were two extremes of the perfect dumbledore. You really needed the calmness and grandfatherly energy of harris but in the later movies you needed the intensity of Gambon.
Ultimately I blame direction/writing for Gambon not being great in the role. Strangely the screenwriters didn't really understand the heart of a lot of the characters. *cough* Ron *cough*
Ultimately I blame direction/writing for Gambon not being great in the role. Strangely the screenwriters didn't really understand the heart of a lot of the characters. *cough* Ron *cough*
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:21 pm to UMRealist
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*cough* Ron *cough*
Man. He was so good in the first two but just so poorly translated in all the others that it was just...bad. Granted, he's kind of an angsty douche in the books, but there was certainly more to his character.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:32 pm to UMRealist
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Ultimately I blame direction/writing for Gambon not being great in the role.
Yeah people blaming Gambon for his hyperbolic portrayal in Goblet, that’s all the direction/writing. I’d honestly be surprised if Gambon didn’t say something saying this isn’t how Dumbledore would or did act. He doesn’t have that level of overacting in the next two films for instance.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:37 pm to OMLandshark
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I’d honestly be surprised if Gambon didn’t say something saying this isn’t how Dumbledore would or did act. He doesn’t have that level of overacting in the next two films for instance.
I thought someone previously mentioned that Gambon purposefully never read the books.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 8:11 pm to OMLandshark
quote:I believe Gambon has said he didn't read the books until after he got the script and found out dumbledore died. So that part is at least a bit on him.
I’d honestly be surprised if Gambon didn’t say something saying this isn’t how Dumbledore would or did act.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 10/19/21 at 8:14 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:It doesn't help that the primary screen writer's favorite character was Hermione and many of Ron's moments were given to her for no real good reason. He also wanted Harry and Hermione to end up together which is why it feels like they have better chemistry in the movies than she has with Ron.
Man. He was so good in the first two but just so poorly translated in all the others that it was just...bad. Granted, he's kind of an angsty douche in the books, but there was certainly more to his character.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 10/19/21 at 8:23 pm to Frac the world
Harris had a great bearing of quiet dignity that served the role well in some instances, but overall very lacking in projecting power and cunning as one of the greatest wizards ever.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 8:42 pm to Dam Guide
The thing I hated the most about the movies is all of the relevant back story they removed from the books. Prisoner of Azkaban and Half-Blood Prince were the franchise's two worst offenders. Alfonso Cuaron crafted what was probably the best film of the bunch but as an adaptation it falls flat on its face. The scene in the Shrieking Shack was a whirlwind of confusing exposition that confused just about every non-book reader on the planet the first time they saw it. By the time Hermione and Harry go back in time to save Buckbeak the non-book readers were completely lost and had to be brought up to speed by those of us who had read the novels.
Half-Blood Prince was an even worse offender considering how they removed all of the interesting backstory regarding the origins of the series' main antagonist in favor of sappy romantic comedy that was not in the books. The removal of the Battle of Hogwarts was particularly aggravating, especially when you realize they substituted that for a pointless scene of the Death Eaters attacking the Weasley's house (again...not in the book).
Half-Blood Prince was an even worse offender considering how they removed all of the interesting backstory regarding the origins of the series' main antagonist in favor of sappy romantic comedy that was not in the books. The removal of the Battle of Hogwarts was particularly aggravating, especially when you realize they substituted that for a pointless scene of the Death Eaters attacking the Weasley's house (again...not in the book).
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 10/19/21 at 8:43 pm to RollTide1987
Agreed. I can't stand they left out so much of Azkaban and I walked out of the theatre during HBP when they just don't even show the battle taking place in Hogwarts after dumbledore dies. That was the final straw for me with that movie.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:03 pm to Frac the world
Richard Harris is a legendary classic actor who brought the appropriate warmth to the character, whilst Gambon never quite got it right. I never really felt like Gambon's character was the wisest wizard in the history of that universe. Harris simply fit the part. That being said, I liked Gambon's intensity in the action scenes.
I also feel like both actors missed out on the whimsical, eclectic nature of Dumbledore. That is a staple of the knowledgeable guide in the fantasy genre (think of Gandalf the Gray, many of the portrayals of Merlin and also Yoda). To me the character was never really adapted well in the films.
I also feel like both actors missed out on the whimsical, eclectic nature of Dumbledore. That is a staple of the knowledgeable guide in the fantasy genre (think of Gandalf the Gray, many of the portrayals of Merlin and also Yoda). To me the character was never really adapted well in the films.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:20 pm to bountyhunter
Gandolf meets Magneto is the perfect dumbledore.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:39 pm to Frac the world
I think Harris did a great job in the first two movies. Chris Columbus’ rendition was far more entirely based on the books, without much artistic interpretation at all. So as a book nerd, I loved it. I also agree with some of the posts that point out that dumbledore wasn’t AS integral in those two vs the later ones.
Gambon did OK, but the scene in the 4th movie ruined it all for me. you know which one. It was just so out of dumbledores character, but that is 100% on the directing.
If you have seen Fantastic Beasts, Jude Law’s young Dumbledore was much closer to Harris. The perfect casting would’ve been Ian Mclellan. Calm but powerful.
Gambon did OK, but the scene in the 4th movie ruined it all for me. you know which one. It was just so out of dumbledores character, but that is 100% on the directing.
If you have seen Fantastic Beasts, Jude Law’s young Dumbledore was much closer to Harris. The perfect casting would’ve been Ian Mclellan. Calm but powerful.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:17 pm to UMRealist
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don't even show the battle taking place in Hogwarts after dumbledore dies.
There was a battle at Hogwarts after Dumbledore dies?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:32 pm to bountyhunter
Disagree on pretty much every point, respectfully.
Harris wasn’t warm at all. He had a quiet dignity that worked okay but also a frail demeanor. And it wasn’t just his age. I recall back to Tarzan in the early 80s he had a (deliberate) weak manner. And up to Unforgiven most don’t remember his prowess as a gunfighter and blowhard just that he got beat down and humiliated by Little Bill.
Gambon was the most well rounded, strong, wise powerful but even kind and caring and also kind of odd.
But ya know after a certain point it’s like who makes the best steak, it’s subjective.
Harris wasn’t warm at all. He had a quiet dignity that worked okay but also a frail demeanor. And it wasn’t just his age. I recall back to Tarzan in the early 80s he had a (deliberate) weak manner. And up to Unforgiven most don’t remember his prowess as a gunfighter and blowhard just that he got beat down and humiliated by Little Bill.
Gambon was the most well rounded, strong, wise powerful but even kind and caring and also kind of odd.
But ya know after a certain point it’s like who makes the best steak, it’s subjective.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:30 pm to RollTide1987
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Alfonso Cuaron crafted what was probably the best film of the bunch but as an adaptation it falls flat on its face.
I would agree with that but I still enjoy it the most just because of how good a movie it is.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:43 am to WicKed WayZ
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I would agree with that but I still enjoy it the most just because of how good a movie it is.
The people who scream the loudest about the films are those who can't or won't separate the two mediums.
This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 7:44 am
Posted on 10/20/21 at 8:38 am to Dam Guide
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I disagree, some of the most annoying shite is in PoA
As far as making a movie is concerned PoA is the best.
Its music, camera work, cinematography, and general look of the film are fantastic.
It would have been amazing if Cauron would have done all the rest.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 9:02 am to CBandits82
The music of PoA is top notch and is arguably the last great ORIGINAL score Williams did before age began getting the better of him. He did not rely heavily on Hedwig’s theme and composed some really awesome motifs. I especially loved how he put Shakespeare’s “Double Trouble” to music.
This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 9:03 am
Posted on 10/20/21 at 9:03 am to Havoc
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Harris had a great bearing of quiet dignity that served the role well in some instances, but overall very lacking in projecting power and cunning as one of the greatest wizards ever.
He never got to play a scene where it was required. I mean we can go to the books for guidance. When Fudge goes to get Dumbledore in OotP, they completely underestimate the kindly old headmaster before he tears them a new a-hole. Harris never got to that scene to show he could do it. The few scenes he did have in the movies were great and worked for the character. So calling out Harris for this is unfair since we never got to see if he would have been able to pull it off.
Dumbledore wasn't strutting around, he was the a quirky weirdo that had the power when he felt like showing it.
This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 9:04 am
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