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Worse film - Batman vs Superman or TLJ?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:48 pm
What say you?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:49 pm to TideSaint
BvS is easily a worse film. Easily.
TLJ just felt worse.
TLJ just felt worse.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:50 pm to TideSaint
BvS is probably worse, easily, just no redeeming qualities what so ever, and Star Wars alone is more interesting than a super hero story.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:53 pm to TideSaint
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:53 pm to Freauxzen
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TLJ just felt worse.
This is true. Several posters have commented that TLJ was worse than the Prequels. It's not. Not even close. But there was so much potential there for TLJ after Awakens. Plus, Rian Johnson was coming off some great films. Plus, the news broke that Johnson was getting his own trilogy...
All of that added up to the hype where you felt that this could be the best ever.
And it fell completely flat.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:55 pm to Antonio Moss
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Several posters have commented that TLJ was worse than the Prequels. It's not
It's worse than both RotS and Phantom Menace. It's possibly better than AotC
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:57 pm to Breesus
Justice League was better than TLJ
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:57 pm to TideSaint
TLJ was at least a coherent film.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:58 pm to Breesus
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It's worse than both RotS and Phantom Menace.
No, not even close as it concerns Phantom Menace - which is worse than AotC.
Seriously, Phantom Menace is one of the worst made films I've ever seen. No protagonist, cookie-cutter villan, no character development, and really no reason to exist in the overall saga.
It's beyond awful.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:22 pm to Antonio Moss
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Plus, Rian Johnson was coming off some great films.
Looper and the Brothers Bloom are now considered great films?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:26 pm to Antonio Moss
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No protagonist, cookie-cutter villan, no character development, and really no reason to exist in the overall saga.
Outside of cookie cutter villian, you just described TLJ
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:27 pm to TideSaint
BvS. Only movie I can ever recall just turning off due to it's awfulness.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:43 pm to TideSaint
not even on the stratosphere. BVS is shite.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:53 pm to JinFL
If I had had to pick one if them to rewatch, I would choose whichever one had the shorter runtime.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:20 pm to TideSaint
At least BvS built on Man of Steel, as flawed as both films were. TLJ was a more complete film, but as the 2nd installment in a trilogy it failed miserably.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 4:24 am to xenythx
quote:Can you really say that, though?
TLJ was at least a coherent film.
I mean, given the time to process it, this film keeps getting worse:
The First Order caught the Resistance totally hung out to dry. Had Poe not bought them some time with the attack, they get massacred then and there. He gets slapped and demoted for it, because it cost a dozen lives to take out a capital ship and probably 100,000 FO soldiers. A ship with the biggest guns in the fleet, that likely picks off the escaping Resistance fleet rapidly in the following chase.
The Resistance runs away slowly and bunched up, because the FO will pick them off if they try to scatter. Oh, except that Finn and Rose leave, and nobody chases... so that is debunked.
The bad guys all yell and slam their underlings around, everyone slams Hux around.
The Resistance is led by spiteful bitches with no clue, pushing Poe to lead a mutiny.
Rey finds Luke, and discovers that he's basically a crazy street bum now.
Rey delves into the Dark Side, which shows her she is alone... ESB establishes that the Dark Side plays on your fears to push you to the Dark Side. What does Rey do? She begins communing with Ren to avoid being alone; so she's actually following the lead of the Dark Side in doing so.
Rey goes away to meet Ren in person after we discover Luke was about to murder his nephew in his sleep. We learn this was all part of Snoke's plan, Snoke has it all figured out, he monologues ... until he gets killed by Ren. Ren redeems himself (not really, he killed Han Solo dammit)... no he doesn't, he just takes over the First Order.
Rose and Finn go to the planet of Awful Rich People and beat it over our heads that capitalism is more evil than killing your parents or any other Dark Side act. Their actual quest is an entire waste of time and fails completely.
But it brings Finn to our 2 minutes with Phasma again, where she loses again. Like Snoke, she fails because she monologues, instead of sealing the kill when she had the chance.
Queen Bitches of the Resistance, having stopped the mutiny, then look lovingly at the unconcious body of the mutineer, and say they like him. More people die and they have a dumb escape plan, because the writers have run out of BS to throw at the wall, so hopping off the ship is the best they can come up with.
Purple Haze then rams the enemy fleet at lightspeed in a visually cool scene, that completely demolishes the enemy, and makes you wonder why they never did this before? Like once they realized they were trapped, why not evacuate everyone from a big ship right then (like they did anyway), and instead of just being shot down one by one, do this first and everyone jumps to lightspeed and escapes?
etc etc
The little speech Chubbems tells Finn after she prevents him from destroying the big cannon down on the planet- that's as stupid as "Martha", and a lot wordier.
So is the "we're the spark that will light the fire blah blah blah" chant they repeat a few times.
Luke shows up. Nah, not really. But wait, he dies anyway.
Rey continues to be extremely Force-powerful without training, and the only thing we learn is that she's not anyone's kid that would explain why she's so skilled innately. We're clueless about her, other than SHE IS THE ONE.
Leia, meanwhile, who is played by an actress who is now dead, just keeps... randomly living, but not doing anything. And now her character is totally in limbo, will they just kill her off-screen before the next movie? Will they CGI her? Will they just ignore that she exists? Sadly, that's about the only cliffhanger left in this series.
BvS was exceedingly gray and bleak, but it had a coherent plot. Luthor (and others) feels exposed to the outside universe of potential baddies after MoS, so he contrives a plan to kill Superman because he doesn't trust him. He pulls Batman into it, because he's the most likely foe to be able to beat Superman. Batman is weary and jaded, and buys into the threat Superman poses. Ultimately, a poor plot device reminds Batman that he is a force for good, not an assassin. But Luthor has a backup plan, entirely feasible after MoS... Doomsday.
Wonder Woman was snooping around due to Luthor's schemes, she was going to let the 2 boys have their fight and go home, but she unveils when Doomsday appears on the scene. The 3 fight the monster, until Superman does the noble sacrifice (and nobody to stop him, Lois mourns but doesn't sabotage him, because she knows it's the right thing to do).
The survivors unite, and honor the fallen comrade for his sacrifice, and prepare to gain new allies to continue the fight against the bad guys.
On paper, BvS has better overall movement in the plot, it develops the characters over the course of the film, where TLJ doesn't. And it sets the table for the next film a lot better.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 7:10 am to jg8623
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Looper and the Brothers Bloom are now considered great films?
Brothers Bloom, you damn skippy it's great.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 7:57 am to TideSaint
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