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Posted on 3/11/24 at 5:33 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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How insanely political and attention seeking do you have to be to cry that there aren't any black dudes in feudal Japan?
FIFY
Race pimping is super profitable
Posted on 3/11/24 at 5:42 pm to ShoeBang
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FIFY
Race pimping is super profitable
The FIFY thing is irritating asf. I said what I said. If you want to say something else, just say it. There's no need to alter what someone else said, just say what you want to say instead.
And before anyone FIFYs this post,
Posted on 3/11/24 at 6:11 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
NientedeNada
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7 yr. ago
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edited 7 yr. ago
Wow, did I go down the rabbit hole for this one. I'd never heard this quote before and googling I got a lot of Afrocentrist websites and books, with no clear origin for the quote. A few people attributed it to a Dr. Maget.
Before I go into the details of who said what when, I'll be clear that the "proverb" is probably completely made-up, no one in Japan seems to have heard of it, and it has its roots in racist anti-Asian and anti-black writings.
Georges Maget was a French Naval doctor in Japan in the 1870s, with theories about the origins of the Japanese. In 1877 he apparently wrote an article claiming the Japanese were a mixture of Malay "Negritos" and the Ainu. I haven't been able to find a copy of the article online. I did find a summary of Maget's view, quoting the proverb in "Observations sur une note du docteur Maget relatives aux races Japonaises" by an M. De Quatrefages. (that is, Observations on a note from Doctor Maget concerning the Japanese races), published in *Bulletins et mémoires" By Société d'anthropologie de Paris. The article can be read, in French, for free on Google Books. On pg. 53, he quotes Maget's "proverb" thus:
"Un proverbe japonais dit que, pour faire un bon soldat (samourai), il faut avoir une moitié de sang noir dans les veines."
My rough translation: A Japanese proverb says that to make a good soldier (samurai), one must have half black blood in their veins.
I also found the Japan Weekly Mail's Feb. 24, 1877 delightful skewering of Maget's conclusions. Couched in exquisitely polite language, the author outs Maget as an ignoramus who has no idea what he's talking about, history-wise.
A good deal has been already said and written about the origin of the Japanese race Kaempffer makes them out to be Assyrians. and traces their route from the Tower of Babel with as much minuteness as if he had himself been an eyewitness of their journey, while other writers have in turn identified them with the Chinese, the North-American Indians, the ancient Peruvians, and the lost tribes of Israel. A plausibly written article from the pen of Dr. Maget, of the French man-of-war Cosmao, which has been lately reproduced in two of the Yokohama journals, endeavours to prove that the Japanese are chiefly of Malay origin, and as he refers somewhat contemptuously to the theory of "the peopling of the Nipon Archipelago by emigrations which with too great complacency are fancied to have started no from China, now from Korea, now from Manchuria," he cannot complain if some of those who with more or less 'complacency' hold this view, at least in so far as Korea is concerned, should do their best. to combat his arguments.
A thing from Redditt I found
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7 yr. ago
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edited 7 yr. ago
Wow, did I go down the rabbit hole for this one. I'd never heard this quote before and googling I got a lot of Afrocentrist websites and books, with no clear origin for the quote. A few people attributed it to a Dr. Maget.
Before I go into the details of who said what when, I'll be clear that the "proverb" is probably completely made-up, no one in Japan seems to have heard of it, and it has its roots in racist anti-Asian and anti-black writings.
Georges Maget was a French Naval doctor in Japan in the 1870s, with theories about the origins of the Japanese. In 1877 he apparently wrote an article claiming the Japanese were a mixture of Malay "Negritos" and the Ainu. I haven't been able to find a copy of the article online. I did find a summary of Maget's view, quoting the proverb in "Observations sur une note du docteur Maget relatives aux races Japonaises" by an M. De Quatrefages. (that is, Observations on a note from Doctor Maget concerning the Japanese races), published in *Bulletins et mémoires" By Société d'anthropologie de Paris. The article can be read, in French, for free on Google Books. On pg. 53, he quotes Maget's "proverb" thus:
"Un proverbe japonais dit que, pour faire un bon soldat (samourai), il faut avoir une moitié de sang noir dans les veines."
My rough translation: A Japanese proverb says that to make a good soldier (samurai), one must have half black blood in their veins.
I also found the Japan Weekly Mail's Feb. 24, 1877 delightful skewering of Maget's conclusions. Couched in exquisitely polite language, the author outs Maget as an ignoramus who has no idea what he's talking about, history-wise.
A good deal has been already said and written about the origin of the Japanese race Kaempffer makes them out to be Assyrians. and traces their route from the Tower of Babel with as much minuteness as if he had himself been an eyewitness of their journey, while other writers have in turn identified them with the Chinese, the North-American Indians, the ancient Peruvians, and the lost tribes of Israel. A plausibly written article from the pen of Dr. Maget, of the French man-of-war Cosmao, which has been lately reproduced in two of the Yokohama journals, endeavours to prove that the Japanese are chiefly of Malay origin, and as he refers somewhat contemptuously to the theory of "the peopling of the Nipon Archipelago by emigrations which with too great complacency are fancied to have started no from China, now from Korea, now from Manchuria," he cannot complain if some of those who with more or less 'complacency' hold this view, at least in so far as Korea is concerned, should do their best. to combat his arguments.
A thing from Redditt I found
Posted on 3/11/24 at 7:39 pm to The Egg
If we have to have black people in stories set in medieval England then why not Japan?
Oh it’s bc only white shows (and countries) must be diverse.
Oh it’s bc only white shows (and countries) must be diverse.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 7:46 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Why aren't there any Vikings in Roots?
But they put roots into Vikings and that was stunning and brave
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:27 pm to The Egg
This is what happens when you start putting people in shows/movies they don't belong in. They start thinking they have a right to be in everything.
First, they were kings and queens. Now they are Shogun. Yet somehow the barbarians still conquered them.
First, they were kings and queens. Now they are Shogun. Yet somehow the barbarians still conquered them.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 8:29 pm
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