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Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:11 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Why is it so difficult for Hollywood to make good movies?
When Dwayne Johnson is considered an "A-List Talent", you're going to have some monstrous difficulties my brother.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:17 am to Hazelnut
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I think/hope it's just a phase. The 80s were similar to this in that political correctness got in the way of creativity. Hopefully people eventually get sick of it and start to make more edgy films again.
This is a really stupid Tarantino quote. How were movies in the 80s "politically correct"?
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:41 am to DaleGribble
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This is a really stupid Tarantino quote. How were movies in the 80s "politically correct"?
I mean, compared to the 70s...In the 70s, you had heroes like the main character in Rolling Thunder (1977) who was an unapologetic murderer and his family was dead. (See also Death Wish.) In the 80s, action heroes were good looking, family men, the kids were safe at the end of the movie, and the hero had 100 one-liners.
(Edit: Also, “politically correct” wasn’t always synonymous with “woke.” It used to just generally refer to safe, inoffensive stuff that didn’t offend soccer moms.)
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 11:46 am
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:48 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Why is it so difficult for Hollywood to make good movies?
Who defines what makes a good movie?
I want mindless entertainment. An escape. If I am entertained and don't feel like it was a waste of time then I consider it a good movie.
The problem is the all or nothing crowd that thinks anything that isn't a masterpiece of cinema is crap.
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 11:49 am
Posted on 7/31/21 at 12:01 pm to UndercoverBryologist
There was nobody to offend in the 80s. People could take a joke back then. But there were plenty of movies getting made in that decade that would never get greenlit today.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 12:03 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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don't know why you and the other guy are responding to me, I'm not the one complaining about movies in here.
You just happen to be the last post I saw before I made my post, mine wasn’t directed at you.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 12:04 pm to DaleGribble
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There was nobody to offend in the 80s. People could take a joke back then.
I believe you might be looking back on the 80s with rose-tinted nostalgia glasses.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 12:40 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Do you think that Soul Man would get greenlit today? Kiss of the Spider Woman probably would, but it was hardly pc in the 80s to make that type of movie. Cruising wouldn't get greenlit, though.
I stand by Tarantino's quote about 80s movies being politically correct as stupid and inaccurate.
Even a movie like The Toy would be considered far too inappropriate to get made in today's climate.
I stand by Tarantino's quote about 80s movies being politically correct as stupid and inaccurate.
Even a movie like The Toy would be considered far too inappropriate to get made in today's climate.
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 7/31/21 at 12:51 pm to DaleGribble
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Even a movie like The Toy would be considered far too inappropriate to get made in today's climate.
While I agree that movies like The Toy wouldn't be made today, what we were referring to was Tarantino's quote. To fully understand Tarantino's quote, you have to compare 70s to 80s. (He was making an observation of movies he saw in the 70s versus movies his saw in the 80s.) Compare 80s to today would be apples and oranges.
Also, and while I don't discount the influence of PC culture on the reason why movies like The Toy wouldn't be made today, I think it has to be noted that there's a general overally declining trend in comedic releases overall this past decade.
Don't ask me where the comedies have gone. You think you would see more woke comedies or something like that, but even those movies aren't getting made. Hollywood just isn't banking on funny movies these days. (Or, if they are, they are banking on comedic action movies like the Guardians of the Galaxy.)
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 7/31/21 at 1:04 pm to UndercoverBryologist
They can't make woke comedies because the intended audience for those movies is perpetually offended and will even get offended over not being able to find a reason to be offended.
I think that Tarantino, like a lot of people, over glamorizes film in the 70s. If giving a writer/director total control over their films hadn't resulted in so many pretentious, up their own arse, bombs from filmmakers like Cimino, Ashby, and Rafelson, they would still be making them.
I think that Tarantino, like a lot of people, over glamorizes film in the 70s. If giving a writer/director total control over their films hadn't resulted in so many pretentious, up their own arse, bombs from filmmakers like Cimino, Ashby, and Rafelson, they would still be making them.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 2:05 pm to RLDSC FAN
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TBF, the "movie star" was disappearing before this woke nonsense
I agree. It's just hard to think of anybody in their 20s and 30s that is an absolute must see if you exclude the superhero actors
Posted on 7/31/21 at 6:33 pm to SG_Geaux
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The problem is the all or nothing crowd that thinks anything that isn't a masterpiece of cinema is crap.
This is true. People have became wayyy to critical of movies these days.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:10 pm to Dr RC
You make a good point.
Some movies are worth seeing on the big screen
But most aren’t.
Some movies are worth seeing on the big screen
But most aren’t.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:24 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Unless you are Spielberg or someone like that, you have to get input from 4+ dumbass producers and answer for shite, give in to shite and release shite
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:35 am to Eli Goldfinger
Too many political inuendos. Dilutes the story, the action, etc. That's why foreign movies are on the rise.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:33 am to Eli Goldfinger
Good scripts can't make it past the studio execs. They want to make easy money with little risk. That's why you see so many sequels and reboots of previous movies. There are a lot of good scripts out there but you almost have to make it yourself if you want it to see the light of day.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:15 am to TotesMcGotes
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*Hollywood makes a well-reviewed, good, original film that no one really sees.*
*Hollywood makes a poorly-reviewed, mediocre film based on established IP that makes an insane amount of money.*
The masses: “WHY WON’T HOLLYWOOD MAKE ORIGINAL FILMS?!”
You can't 100% blame audiences for this as most of Hollywood's original, Oscar-bait content doesn't get a wide release until just before the film premieres on DVD and VOD. For instance, Jojo Rabbit (one of the more entertaining films of 2019) opened in five theaters. Compare that to a film like Aquaman that opened in over 4,100 theaters.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:42 am to Eli Goldfinger
I’d say An American Pickle was a bit original.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 8:20 am to Eli Goldfinger
Since opinions are likes assholes and everyone's got one I'll add my 2 cents:
1. There are still good movies being made but not as many.
2. The Superhero era of movie making is dominating because it's nostalgic to the over 50 crowd (like me) and the younger folks eat it up. This is affecting traditional film making because everyone wants the get on the bandwagon.
3. Film makers are relying too much on CGI to make films. Actors like performing on real sets rather than behind green screens ore performing a scene talking to ping pong balls for eyes so they can CGI whatever character the dialogue is supposed to be with.
Note: Take a movie like "The Untouchables". Great sets. Great costumes and props. Great non-CGI cast. Great on location shots. We don't see so much of this anymore.
4. PC culture has destroyed making films that have "culturally unacceptable" tropes. Blazing Saddles could never be made today for example.
(I will say that some actors can get away with it like RDJ in Tropic thunder). It's a little older now but Hollywood and society hasn't destroyed him for it.
5. The modern world just isn't as interesting for story telling like it used to be. Right now, we live in a world of pissed off millennials, gays and trannies that are shoving their agenda in our faces and more and more movies are being made with these themes and most in-the-closet straight people that doesn't support these themes won't watch it.
1. There are still good movies being made but not as many.
2. The Superhero era of movie making is dominating because it's nostalgic to the over 50 crowd (like me) and the younger folks eat it up. This is affecting traditional film making because everyone wants the get on the bandwagon.
3. Film makers are relying too much on CGI to make films. Actors like performing on real sets rather than behind green screens ore performing a scene talking to ping pong balls for eyes so they can CGI whatever character the dialogue is supposed to be with.
Note: Take a movie like "The Untouchables". Great sets. Great costumes and props. Great non-CGI cast. Great on location shots. We don't see so much of this anymore.
4. PC culture has destroyed making films that have "culturally unacceptable" tropes. Blazing Saddles could never be made today for example.
(I will say that some actors can get away with it like RDJ in Tropic thunder). It's a little older now but Hollywood and society hasn't destroyed him for it.
5. The modern world just isn't as interesting for story telling like it used to be. Right now, we live in a world of pissed off millennials, gays and trannies that are shoving their agenda in our faces and more and more movies are being made with these themes and most in-the-closet straight people that doesn't support these themes won't watch it.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 8:22 am
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