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re: Why Are Studios so resistant to Fan Service/Fan Pandering?
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:26 am to JetsetNuggs
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:26 am to JetsetNuggs
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wouldn't necessarily call that fan service.
Maybe fan porn is a more accurate of a descriptor but it’s the same vein
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Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:31 am to wildtigercat93
I'd agree it's the same vein, but it's not some throwaway scene like the Endgame scene.
Luke showing up and taking Grogu is now the major plot point for that entire show.
I guess my point is that fan service with legitimate plot direction isn't shameless like some can be.
Luke showing up and taking Grogu is now the major plot point for that entire show.
I guess my point is that fan service with legitimate plot direction isn't shameless like some can be.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 11:34 am
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:36 am to wildtigercat93
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They were more concerned with “beating” the fans to an ending that hadn’t been guessed already
I don’t think so. They just wanted to be done with the show and move on. At that time the Disney thing was still on the table. I think they were looking at another show too.
In order to make up for the shortened seasons, which they knew people weren’t going to be happy about, they went with large amounts of fan service.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:43 am to CU_Tigers4life
It’s a relatively new thing. Before studios couldn’t give a frick less what the fans thought (Godzilla 1998 for example)
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:43 am to 1BamaRTR
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I don’t think so.
There’s no other explanation as to why they led their plots down the way they did, other than they didn’t want to make an ending that someone on Reddit had already theorized
Killing off the WW early in season 8 is basically just a big “gotcha! frick you” to the audience (despite being cool in the moment, fricked the show irreconcilable from that point on)
If they thought any of S7 or S8 was fan service, then they are certified lunatics that have zero awareness of what the fans actually were or wanted
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 11:44 am
Posted on 1/28/21 at 1:01 pm to wildtigercat93
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There’s no other explanation
Yes there is. They wanted to finish up the show. So they rushed the plot lines. Look maybe it wasn’t completely fan service but it was definitely a huge part in order to make up for the shortening. They tried to squeeze in as much as they could while also moving the show along as fast as possible.
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ending that someone on Reddit had already theorized
I doubt they cared or pay attention to what some online posters thought. With the show as large as it was, and considering the books have been out for a long time, people already came up every possible ending out there. So I don’t buy it.
Your theory works more for something like Westworld. It isn’t based off a popular series of books. Yet people pieced together the story and figured out the plot twist. The writers then decided to make the show even more confusing the following season.
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Killing off the WW early in season 8 is basically just a big “gotcha! frick you” to the audience (despite being cool in the moment, fricked the show irreconcilable from that point on)
Yes they did say they did it because they wanted to surprise people but they were talking about Arya killing the NK at the last second. But Arya was still a huge fan favorite, and that episode featured so many main characters almost dying like 3-4 times each yet only 2 died in the end. Turns out the only main losses were a bunch of redshirts.
Again the whole going the wall episode featured their A-Team of badass warriors. That episode was fan service with the purpose of making things look cool.
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If they thought any of S7 or S8 was fan service, then they are certified lunatics that have zero awareness of what the fans actually were or wanted
Well yes. They tried to do fan service while also doing GRRM’s ending while also shortening the show because they wanted to leave. Trying to do all 3 things is how we got that dumb shite.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 1:24 pm to CU_Tigers4life
There’s a few reasons:
1. Studios see existing properties and fanbases as piggy banks. They believe those fans will see their movies no matter what because of those franchise loyalties.
2. As a result, studios often take unrelated stories that they couldn’t get greenlit and clothe them in an existing franchise to get made. This sometimes works out (The Joker), but often doesn’t.
3. Hollywood directors like to view their work as an artistic medium for “making a statement”, and change the story and characters to fit that statement rather than adapt the statements to the storyline and characters.
4. Studios often see “nerd” movie properties as beneath them, only making those films to appease the rabble so they can earn enough good will at the studio to make their artsy passion projects. They don’t care about the material, and actually have straight up contempt for if.
5. They’re so disconnected from the lives of ordinary movie-goers that they have no idea what their fans actually want and enjoy about the franchises they’re fans pf.
1. Studios see existing properties and fanbases as piggy banks. They believe those fans will see their movies no matter what because of those franchise loyalties.
2. As a result, studios often take unrelated stories that they couldn’t get greenlit and clothe them in an existing franchise to get made. This sometimes works out (The Joker), but often doesn’t.
3. Hollywood directors like to view their work as an artistic medium for “making a statement”, and change the story and characters to fit that statement rather than adapt the statements to the storyline and characters.
4. Studios often see “nerd” movie properties as beneath them, only making those films to appease the rabble so they can earn enough good will at the studio to make their artsy passion projects. They don’t care about the material, and actually have straight up contempt for if.
5. They’re so disconnected from the lives of ordinary movie-goers that they have no idea what their fans actually want and enjoy about the franchises they’re fans pf.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:01 pm to PEEPO
Reading this is my first time hearing the term "Fan Service".
When they started doing it I wondered how many people joined twitter because they hoped to get a tweet on TV. What they did empowered a small faction of their viewers. Now, lots of people on Twitter think what the people they follow post is gospel. Tweets from celebrities are enough to write sports articles around.
And the sports network we all grew up watching still does a decent job of showing live sports, but sucks at everything else.
Is this a similar situation to what Fan Service is?
quote:This statement reminds me of how I felt when sports talk shows like ESPN's Mike & Mike started showing tweets that were pertinent to their broadcast, at the bottom of the screen. Back when they started it, the tweets were from virtually anyone that would tweet about whatever they were discussing. Not what players, coaches, or even other sports reporters were saying about it, just regular Joe's.
Cheap fan service is actually lazy and not good for art
When they started doing it I wondered how many people joined twitter because they hoped to get a tweet on TV. What they did empowered a small faction of their viewers. Now, lots of people on Twitter think what the people they follow post is gospel. Tweets from celebrities are enough to write sports articles around.
And the sports network we all grew up watching still does a decent job of showing live sports, but sucks at everything else.
Is this a similar situation to what Fan Service is?
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:11 pm to CU_Tigers4life
I'd say there's a difference between fan service/pandering, and staying true to the core material.
Disney, with Star Wars, did the total opposite of fan service... unless you want to include "fans" who want anarchy and the complete collapse of what was built up. The "antifa" of fans, if you will.
Fwiw, they did this exact thing with Maleficent, and the original Sleeping Beauty film. In that, the villain becomes the hero, and the heroes become villains. I think it's honestly an 'antifa' mindset, everything old needs to be reversed and the 'injustices' addressed.
They got away with Maleficent because Angelina Jolie had some star power, and not enough people expressed outrage over what they did... so they thought they could do it further with Star Wars.
This is the mindset that led to season 8 in GoT, and honestly, would have strongly pushed for Dany to not only turn as she did, but live and follow through with it all.
They just got hit with a reality check regarding Star Wars, and money-making still trumps ideology at the highest levels. Hence, the step back from the Trilogy intent, and the refocus on Mando and all that is being restored via that.
Disney, with Star Wars, did the total opposite of fan service... unless you want to include "fans" who want anarchy and the complete collapse of what was built up. The "antifa" of fans, if you will.
Fwiw, they did this exact thing with Maleficent, and the original Sleeping Beauty film. In that, the villain becomes the hero, and the heroes become villains. I think it's honestly an 'antifa' mindset, everything old needs to be reversed and the 'injustices' addressed.
They got away with Maleficent because Angelina Jolie had some star power, and not enough people expressed outrage over what they did... so they thought they could do it further with Star Wars.
This is the mindset that led to season 8 in GoT, and honestly, would have strongly pushed for Dany to not only turn as she did, but live and follow through with it all.
They just got hit with a reality check regarding Star Wars, and money-making still trumps ideology at the highest levels. Hence, the step back from the Trilogy intent, and the refocus on Mando and all that is being restored via that.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:10 pm to chinese58
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Reading this is my first time hearing the term "Fan Service".
quote:
Cheap fan service is actually lazy and not good for art
This statement reminds me of how I felt when sports talk shows like ESPN's Mike & Mike started showing tweets that were pertinent to their broadcast, at the bottom of the screen. Back when they started it, the tweets were from virtually anyone that would tweet about whatever they were discussing. Not what players, coaches, or even other sports reporters were saying about it, just regular Joe's.
When they started doing it I wondered how many people joined twitter because they hoped to get a tweet on TV. What they did empowered a small faction of their viewers. Now, lots of people on Twitter think what the people they follow post is gospel. Tweets from celebrities are enough to write sports articles around.
And the sports network we all grew up watching still does a decent job of showing live sports, but sucks at everything else.
Is this a similar situation to what Fan Service is?
I've honestly only ever seen the phrase "fan service" in reference to Japanese anime, and it's ... something entirely different. And instantly recognizable. And usually NSFW.
And yes, studios over here seem to be resistant to that, for the most part. Haven't seen any in the MCU since IM2, none in Star Wars since ROTJ, maybe AOTC.
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