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What would have happened if Han & Chewie had killed Vader in Episode 4?

Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:39 pm
Posted by Thundercles
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:39 pm
Vader was pretty helpless in space after the other TIE collision. If they had a mind to, wouldn't have taken much to run down Vader's fighter and destroy it.

Would there have been any major changes in the Rebel Alliance vs Empire? I'm trying to think of any major moments directly influenced by Vader alone.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 3:35 pm
Posted by Trapped in time
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:43 pm to
Luke would not have become a Jedi (or maybe became palpatines student). Palpatine would wreck shite and further consolidated power unopposed.
Posted by SonicAndBareKnuckles
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:45 pm to
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What would have happened if Han & Chewie had killed Vader in Episode 1?


They should have sent a cyborg back in time to kill Shmi Skywalker ten years before Episode 1.

Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:51 pm to
The series ends and the non fans are spared from it?
Posted by Philzilla
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

Would there have been any major changes in the Rebel Alliance vs Empire? I'm trying to think of any major moments directly influenced by Vader alone.

Probably not.
Though maybe the military focuses on the Mon Calamari fleet instead of Luke and the Rebel base.
Though if Vader was dead then the Emperor would really be into finding Luke. Unless he already had a backup.
The actual loss of Tarkin was probably a bigger deal.
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:51 pm to
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They should have sent a cyborg back in time to kill Shmi Skywalker ten years before Episode 1.


then we wouldn't have had the inspiration for this set...

This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:01 pm to
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Luke would not have become a Jedi (or maybe became palpatines student). Palpatine would wreck shite and further consolidated power unopposed.


I thought about this, but the attack on the second Death Star and its destruction happened completely independent of Luke infiltrating and defeating the Emperor.

You could argue the butterfly effect that a different fleet commander other than Vader would have had a more effective attack on Hoth and would have crushed the rebels there. Or that Luke not becoming a Jedi Master by not realizing his lineage would have changed Han's rescue and the attack on the imperial shield generator on Endor wouldn't have been successful.
Posted by LSUPERMAN
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
2487 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:21 pm to
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Episode 1


Episode IV.

I don't know if the MF could outmaneuver Vader's ship. Vader could easily turn the tables on him.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:36 pm to
Good call on the episode. I'm an idiot. If you recall Vader got clipped by his wingman and was spinning out into space. He crash landed on a nearby planet. Would have been easy pickings.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:37 pm to
Then the Emperor would've turned Luke, he would've never had the example of his father. It would've been a darkntime for the Galaxy
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:40 pm to
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Then the Emperor would've turned Luke, he would've never had the example of his father. It would've been a darkntime for the Galaxy



Would that have happened though? Luke was lured on to the Death Star by Vader's presence. And still, the Rebel Alliance was blowing up that second Death Star either way. They didn't give a shite (or even know) Luke was still on board.
Posted by SEClint
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:47 pm to
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Would that have happened though? Luke was lured on to the Death Star by Vader's presence. And still, the Rebel Alliance was blowing up that second Death Star either way. They didn't give a shite (or even know) Luke was still on board.


Im stoned and may be missing something, but i was talking about a new hope, had vader died in new hope.

The Emperor would've pursued Luke as his next apprentice, throughout the galaxy. Luke would've needed more strength than he had in Empire to defeat and resist the Emperor. He would have failed. Through the encounters and visual representation of Vader, Luke wouldn't have had the connection and power to resist, plus it was Vader who defeated the Emperor as well.

One of his proudest moments was proclaiming to the Emperor that he was a jedi, like his father before him. had he never known he was his father..it wouldn't have meant as much to him
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 3:50 pm
Posted by LSUPERMAN
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:11 pm to
Well, my next question would be how would they have known that was Vader in that ship?
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:17 pm to
Did Vader's body disappear? And did Luke just burn his armor?

Eta

Which was supposed to be fireproof
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 4:18 pm
Posted by LSUPERMAN
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
2487 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:28 pm to
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Did Vader's body disappear? And did Luke just burn his armor?

Eta

Which was supposed to be fireproof


I'm confused at your response. I was talking about how would Han or anyone know that was Vader in that ship in IV.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:35 pm to
Posted by Northshore Aggie
Mandeville, LA
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:37 pm to
pack your bag's fellas. war's over.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:45 pm to
I’m interested in the trilogy where Rey dies facefirst in the snow by Kylo’s hand.

And maybe the show where Vader decapitates Reva before she starts talking in the first episode
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30137 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:51 pm to
It's Star Wars. Not Episode IV. Not A New Hope. Just Star Wars.
Posted by SEClint
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Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:55 pm to
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It's Star Wars. Not Episode IV. Not A New Hope. Just Star Wars.
it was that, until the sequel was successful.
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